Yes, please keep me informed!  I am interested!

Hilary

*Hilary G. Derby, Ph.D.*

*Tree Branches Unlimited,  LLC, *
*Member, Association of Professional Genealogists*

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Madaline Preston <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> This thread is getting too long.  I do want to communicate with you all if
> your interest is still there.  I suggest you email me direct at
> [log in to unmask] if you want to be kept abreast of what is what.
>
> I need to stop and do a spreadsheet correlating mother's maiden name, names
> of children with their birth dates, etc. to make sure I are not working
> with apples and oranges.  On two death certificates of Mac and Miranda's
> children,  Miranda's maiden name is given as  Miranda White and Miranda
> Lewis.  Then there is wife Elizabeth in 1880 census...scratched out and an
> Elizabeth Brown given in the 1866 Register of Colored Persons, Augusta
> Co..   Perhaps the 1880 data given to the census taker was an error and
> simply scratched through and Miranda had died.
>
> I might add that due to certain infirmities...mainly old age, I can't jump
> up and run around to various courthouses and historical societies.  I add
> this to let you how much I appreciate everyone's input.
>
> I'll keep plugging, let me know if you want to keep up one on one.
> m. preston
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Selma Stewart <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Using the information that you provided from the Augusta County
> > Cohabitation Register and the information provided about Miranda's maiden
> > being given as "BROWN"..I took a look at Volume 1 (A-C) of the 5 volume
> VA
> > Slave Birth Index published in 2007.  It is compilation of the Slave
> Births
> > that were recorded along with the Births of others in the county in the
> > Birth Registers that began in 1853.  It is likely that not all births for
> > everyone was reported at that time.
> >
> >
> > This book is INDEXED by the name of the INFORMANT who was giving the
> > information to the clerk, this person in most cases was the OWNER but not
> > always. There are 4 categories in the INDEX:  Informant's Surname,
> > Informant First name, Slave's Name (child), Mother's name, Date of Birth,
> > Place of Birth.  The name of Child is not always given, the name of the
> > Mother is not always given, nor the exact date of birth.
> > The name of the Father for enslaved children's births is rarely if ever
> > given...because for these children this is not a record of Paternity but
> of
> > OWNERSHIP.
> >
> >
> > Taking all that into mind and looking at the names of the children who
> > appeared on the 1870 census whose births took place in 1853 or after and
> > looked for an INFORMANT/OWNER with the surname BROWN living in Albemarle
> > County who listed the name of the mother as MIRANDA and found one HORACE
> > BROWN as the Informant (possible owner) reporting the following births:
> >
> >
> > Brown, Horace, male; Myranda; Aug 1855, Albemarle
> > Brown, Horace, Andre Lee; Marinda; Sept 1854, Albemarle
> > Brown, Horace, Elbridge, Miranda; Aug 1857, Albemarle
> > Brown, Horace; Howard, Miranda, August 10, 1861, Albemarle
> > Brown, Horace; James; Miranda; Jul 1859, Albemarle
> >
> >
> > Remember that this is only an INDEX and it would be best to look at the
> > actual birth register to see what other information was given.  I would
> > also suggest that you look for the Death Register which also began in
> 1853
> > for Augusta County to see what information might be provided.
> >
> >
> > Selma Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Madaline Preston <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2016 1:01 pm
> > Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] Mack Curry
> >
> > Wonderful....thank you for the tip on LoV.  Found Mac Curry in the
> Register
> > of Colored Person - Augusta Co in 1866.  Born Albemarle Co, living in New
> > Hope, married to Elizabeth Brown, age 29, also of Albemarle Co.    Names
> of
> > children line up.
> >
> > But...there appears to be a line drawn thru Elizabeth's name on 1880
> census
> > and occupation is noted as prisoner. ????   *All other info *on Mac gives
> > his wife as Miranda.  Need to figure this one out.  Transcriber for
> > Ancestry did not list Elizabeth in data on family.  Now what?  Need black
> > marriage records, probably for Albemarle Co around 1844 + or Rockingham
> > Co.
> >
> > What I need to know is .... how was this Register's data gathered.  Door
> to
> > door like in the census or did they have to go register somewhere?
> >
> > If there is no Last Owner noted did this necessarily mean they were free
> > born?
> >
> > Appreciate all the emails....every bit helps.
> > m
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Janice <0000000ed930f4a2-dmarc-
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > The LVA has been processing a collection of papers relating to slavery
> > and
> > > ownership.  Those few that I worked on (as a volunteer
> transcriptionist)
> > > included a couple of account books of traders' routes, giving travel
> > route,
> > > names of the slaves and family members (if sold together), former
> owners
> > > and purchases/expenses per slave by name, incurred by the trader during
> > the
> > > trip. They may yet have materials untranscribed but available to the
> > > volunteers online as photocopies of the originals. The collection is
> > worth
> > > checking out.
> > >
> > > Janice Armstrong
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Quan Arnett-Pruitt <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2016 12:50 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] Mack Curry
> > >
> > > I'm assuming that this is a family member you are searching for.  I
> > always
> > > follow the money.
> > >  Maybe this will help.  Slavery ended in 1865.  Former slaves will show
> > up
> > > in the 1870 or 1880 census for the first time.  If you could not find
> him
> > > in the 1860 or earlier census or city directories with him or her
> listed
> > as
> > > a FPOC (free person of color) then most likely he was not.
> > >
> > > As an African American research genealogy you will hit a brick wall at
> > > some point usually 1870.  We don’t just run a family tree on our family
> > but
> > > also on the possible or last owner to find information.  So there is
> the
> > > possibility you might run a lot on just one family alone.  Some last
> > names
> > > where given by the military or they just picked a last name based on
> > > anything.  Some took the last owners name or the name of some past
> owner.
> > >   Now you have to find who the last owner was for clues to more
> > information.
> > >
> > > To get pass the brick wall you will have to:
> > > 1 take clues in your oral history
> > > 2 Eliminate the obvious last name.  Curry by running a family tree on
> the
> > > family to see what slaves they owned, wills and etc.
> > > 3 check the freeman bank for clues
> > > 4 USCT
> > > 5 court records- Deeds, wills, sales, mortgages, dowers, partitions and
> > > etc.
> > > 6 change your thinking to the 1800's
> > > 7 Find his death record.  Sometimes it will list his parents name but
> > most
> > > just have unknow.
> > >
> > > Slaves are value/money.  You will have to follow the money trail.
> > > You will have to always think of where is the money and how do I hide
> the
> > > money and how to make and keep the money.
> > >
> > > I check some things on Ancestry and found that they are not listed
> before
> > > 1870.  Also you might want to check  a couple areas in your search
> > Mongolia
> > > VA and Washington PA.  It would seem as if they or the children moved
> > > there.  Also someone has started a tree on this family and they might
> be
> > > able to help you and each other on this search.  Maybe a new cousin.
> > >
> > > Good Luck
> > > Quan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family history.
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Madaline Preston
> > > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:40 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] Mack Curry
> > >
> > > Exactly, now did Mack become a free black?  I haven't found anything on
> > > Ancestry prior to the 1870 census for Mack and wife, Miranda.
> > > m. preston
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Selma Stewart <
> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The question is have you located Mack Curry in any of the census
> > > > records prior to 1870 such as 1860 and 1850..identified by name..this
> > > > would mean he would have been classified as a "Free Black".  At that
> > > > point you would have to determine how he became Free..either by birth
> > > > (meaning his mother was
> > > > Free) or emancipated by Will or Deed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you found him identified by name on a census or any other
> records
> > > > prior to 1865.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Selma Stewart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 3:59 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] Mack Curry
> > > >
> > > > By the 1870 and 1880 censuses, all African Americans were free.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  My email address has changed to [ [log in to unmask] ](
> > > mailto:
> > > > [log in to unmask] ).  Please update your records
> > accordingly.
> > > > Thank you! Leslie Anderson, MSLSReference LibrarianAlexandria
> > > > LibrarySpecial Collections Branch717 Queen StreetAlexandria, VA
> > > > 22314-2420703.746.1718 (office)703.746.1720
> > > > (fax)alexlibraryva.orgFounded as a subscription library in 1794.
> > > Alexandria’s public library since 1937.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "Madaline Preston" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >  Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 1:31pmTo: [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Mack CurryMack Curry, born 1824, and wife Miranda
> > > > are listed on the 1870 census forPort Republic, Virginia.
> > > > Blacks....living between mostly white familieson a street.By 1880 he
> > > > was a land owner in Ashby District, Rockingham County.Mr. Curry must
> > > have been a free black.
> > > > Any info on his heritage would bewonderful.M. PrestonTo subscribe,
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