Hello All
Back in about 1960 I boarded with my Great Aunt. My room was upstairs
and had minimal heat. At night I had a blanket and about 5 quilts on
and still thought I would freeze to death. This was in Central Virginia.
So a lot of Quilts were necessary.
Irvin
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> 1. About having many quilts (2)
> 2. About bedcovers... was inventory (5)
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> 4. was About bedcovers...now Palatines
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> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:22:19 -0500
> From: Pat Grogan <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: About having many quilts
>
> I remember my grandmother telling me that when she married at age 21 she had made 21 quilts to take with her into the marriage. She was very proud of that.
>
> Pat
>
>
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or
>>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central
>> heat...
>>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood and
>>> had
>>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay
>>> awhile,
>>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which would
>>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep
>>> everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into "straw
>>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor to
>>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's.
>>>
>>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and
>> sisters
>>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or
>> three
>>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one for
>>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at their
>>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold wouldn't
>> even
>>> come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly freezing
>> in
>>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in the
>>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose.
>>>
>>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the 20th
>>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold in
>>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in flight
>>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals
>>> and
>>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister) who
>>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the next
>> on
>>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from that
>>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that
>>> started
>>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the "Little
>> Ice
>>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a
>>> large
>>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his
>>> neighbors.
>>>
>>> Thank goodness for central heat.
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carolyn HALE BRUCE
>>> Virginia Beach, VA
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> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:05:00 -0500
> From: Janice <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>
> This brings up a topic closely related to your hollow/holler remarks. If you have the opportunity to see many of the old records you'll come across many given names which were changed from the original to end in -"er". Priscilla/Prisciller, Ella/Eller, Alma/Almer, etc. The names almost always originally end with an 'uh' sound. Of course, hollow doesn't end in an 'uh' unless you pronounce it as hollah.
>
> My question is, can we possibly trace this speech pattern to a particular old-world region? Wouldn't it be great if we could use it to narrow our search for ancestor origins to something more precise than the name of the country?
>
> I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this for us.
>
> Thanks.
> Janice
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kitty Manscill <[log in to unmask]>
> To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 1:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>
>
> I am glad they use the word Hollow. I grew up in the Shensndoah Valley and
> the word was Hollow, but where I live now, in East Tennessee, they say and
> spell it Hollar. Which I say means yell. One local woman told me that
> they were called Hollars because people had to yell to each other. I told
> her where I grew up, a hollow was a small valley. We did not communicate
> well.
>
> Kitty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carole D. Bryant" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:37:29 -0600
> From: Charlotte Tucker <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>
> Thank you !!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carole D. Bryant" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>
>
>> For others interested, Hollow Folk may be read on-line:
>>
>> _http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/mode/1up_
>> (http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/mode/1up)
>>
>> Carole
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/19/2012 11:16:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> Carole, if you have a chance to read the book, hope you will get back to
>> me.
>> M.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Carole D. Bryant
>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> "Hollow Folk" ! I reckon those folk were anything but "hollow" ! Such
>>> living most often results in solid personal character -- the kind of
>>> people
>>> some of us would like to have for neighbors ! ! ! Kind and generous,
>>> honest
>>> and faithful, God-fearing and spiritually strong.
>>>
>>> I know my comment is a bit "off subject," but I couldn't resist. The
>> term
>>> just jumped out at me. There are exceptions, of course, but generally
>>> our
>>> "soft living" today is producing an unkind and greedy, deceitful and
>>> incompetent, immoral and spiritually dead society ! Give me the old
>>> "hollow
>>> folk" ANY day !
>>>
>>> Carole D. Bryant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>
>>> Carolyn, what a nice response. Many of my kin came to the Shenandoah
>>> Valley in the 1730s. I can't imagine how tough the conditions were
>> while
>>> they tried to put up a cabin. I look at how spoiled I am (can't be
>> too
>>> warm or too cool) and wonder how, genetically, my line survived.
>>>
>>> Your comments reminded me of a book I read ...Hollow Folk by Mandel
>>> Sherman
>>> and Thomas R. Henry. It was written in 1933 and tells of life in the
>>> hollows on the Blue Ridge Mountains. From the tone of your email....I
>>> think you may enjoy it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Madaline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or
>>>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central
>>> heat...
>>>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood
>>>> and
>>> had
>>>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay
>>> awhile,
>>>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which
>>>> would
>>>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep
>>> > everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into
>> "straw
>>>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor
>> to
>>>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's.
>>>>
>>>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and
>>> sisters
>>>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or
>>> three
>>>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one
>> for
>>>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at
>> their
>>>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold
>>>> wouldn't
>>> even
>>> > come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly
>> freezing
>>> in
>>>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in
>> the
>>>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose.
>>>>
>>>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the
>> 20th
>>>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold
>> in
>>>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in
>> flight
>>>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals
>>> and
>>>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister)
>> who
>>>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the
>> next
>>> on
>>>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from
>> that
>>>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that
>>> started
>>>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the
>> "Little
>>> Ice
>>>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a
>>> large
>>>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his
>>>> neighbors.
>>>>
>>>> Thank goodness for central heat.
>>>>
>>>> Carolyn
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> > Carolyn HALE BRUCE
>>>> Virginia Beach, VA
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> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 02:01:57 -0600
> From: Poldi Tonin <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory
>
> Have read the first 30 pages of book and wish I could find the complete
> book. Written by health and social professionals in the 1930's from
> research on-site, it is an eye-opener to the horrid living
> conditions of the folks in the five subject Hollows.
> The ignorance, laziness, filth and poverty these people were content with
> in the 20th century America is horrid. Intermarriage and perpetual
> pregnancy, lack of health services and high death rate of infants is
> pitiful.
> This book does not glamorize the folks of the Hollows but reveals their
> hidden communities in their mountain shacks all of which are described as
> less than 100 miles from the U.S. capital.
>
> Thanks for the link to the book.
> Tree Mother
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lona Boudreaux <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for posting. I will look for this book as my husband and I have
>> enjoyed our visits to the Blue Ridge area.
>>
>> Lona
>> Monroe, Louisiana
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Domer
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:38 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>> Carole-
>>
>> You are right on the mark with your analysis of people then and now.
>>
>> Sharon Shaffer Domer
>>
>> From: Carole D. Bryant <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory
>>
>> "Hollow Folk" ! I reckon those folk were anything but "hollow" ! Such
>> living most often results in solid personal character -- the kind of
>> people
>> some of us would like to have for neighbors ! ! ! Kind and generous,
>> honest
>> and faithful, God-fearing and spiritually strong.
>>
>> I know my comment is a bit "off subject," but I couldn't resist. The term
>> just jumped out at me. There are exceptions, of course, but generally our
>> "soft living" today is producing an unkind and greedy, deceitful and
>> incompetent, immoral and spiritually dead society ! Give me the old
>> "hollow
>> folk" ANY day !
>>
>> Carole D. Bryant
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> Carolyn, what a nice response. Many of my kin came to the Shenandoah
>> Valley in the 1730s. I can't imagine how tough the conditions were while
>> they tried to put up a cabin. I look at how spoiled I am (can't be too
>> warm or too cool) and wonder how, genetically, my line survived.
>>
>> Your comments reminded me of a book I read ...Hollow Folk by Mandel
>> Sherman
>> and Thomas R. Henry. It was written in 1933 and tells of life in the
>> hollows on the Blue Ridge Mountains. From the tone of your email....I
>> think you may enjoy it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Madaline
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or
>>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central
>>>
>> heat...
>>
>>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood and had
>>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay awhile,
>>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which would
>>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep
>>> everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into "straw
>>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor to
>>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's.
>>>
>>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and
>>>
>> sisters
>>
>>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or
>>>
>> three
>>
>>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one for
>>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at their
>>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold wouldn't
>>>
>> even
>>
>>> come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly freezing
>>>
>> in
>>
>>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in the
>>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose.
>>>
>>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the 20th
>>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold in
>>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in flight
>>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals and
>>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister) who
>>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the next
>>>
>> on
>>
>>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from that
>>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that started
>>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the "Little
>>>
>> Ice
>>
>>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a large
>>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his
>>> neighbors.
>>>
>>> Thank goodness for central heat.
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carolyn HALE BRUCE
>>> Virginia Beach, VA
>>>
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