Hello All Back in about 1960 I boarded with my Great Aunt. My room was upstairs and had minimal heat. At night I had a blanket and about 5 quilts on and still thought I would freeze to death. This was in Central Virginia. So a lot of Quilts were necessary. Irvin On 11/21/2012 12:00 AM, VA-ROOTS automatic digest system wrote: > There are 12 messages totaling 1079 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. About having many quilts (2) > 2. About bedcovers... was inventory (5) > 3. Caveat Lector - was: About bedcovers... was inventory > 4. was About bedcovers...now Palatines > 5. wagon tent (3) > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:22:19 -0500 > From: Pat Grogan <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: About having many quilts > > I remember my grandmother telling me that when she married at age 21 she had made 21 quilts to take with her into the marriage. She was very proud of that. > > Pat > > >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or >>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central >> heat... >>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood and >>> had >>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay >>> awhile, >>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which would >>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep >>> everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into "straw >>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor to >>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's. >>> >>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and >> sisters >>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or >> three >>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one for >>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at their >>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold wouldn't >> even >>> come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly freezing >> in >>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in the >>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose. >>> >>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the 20th >>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold in >>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in flight >>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals >>> and >>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister) who >>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the next >> on >>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from that >>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that >>> started >>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the "Little >> Ice >>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a >>> large >>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his >>> neighbors. >>> >>> Thank goodness for central heat. >>> >>> Carolyn >>> >>> -- >>> Carolyn HALE BRUCE >>> Virginia Beach, VA >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >>> instructions >>> at >>> >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/**archives/va-roots.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html >> >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:05:00 -0500 > From: Janice <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory > > This brings up a topic closely related to your hollow/holler remarks. If you have the opportunity to see many of the old records you'll come across many given names which were changed from the original to end in -"er". Priscilla/Prisciller, Ella/Eller, Alma/Almer, etc. The names almost always originally end with an 'uh' sound. Of course, hollow doesn't end in an 'uh' unless you pronounce it as hollah. > > My question is, can we possibly trace this speech pattern to a particular old-world region? Wouldn't it be great if we could use it to narrow our search for ancestor origins to something more precise than the name of the country? > > I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this for us. > > Thanks. > Janice > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kitty Manscill <[log in to unmask]> > To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 1:57 pm > Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory > > > I am glad they use the word Hollow. I grew up in the Shensndoah Valley and > the word was Hollow, but where I live now, in East Tennessee, they say and > spell it Hollar. Which I say means yell. One local woman told me that > they were called Hollars because people had to yell to each other. I told > her where I grew up, a hollow was a small valley. We did not communicate > well. > > Kitty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole D. Bryant" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory > > > > > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:37:29 -0600 > From: Charlotte Tucker <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory > > Thank you !!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole D. Bryant" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory > > >> For others interested, Hollow Folk may be read on-line: >> >> _http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/mode/1up_ >> (http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b297150#page/1/mode/1up) >> >> Carole >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/19/2012 11:16:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [log in to unmask] writes: >> >> Carole, if you have a chance to read the book, hope you will get back to >> me. >> M. >> >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Carole D. Bryant >> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> "Hollow Folk" ! I reckon those folk were anything but "hollow" ! Such >>> living most often results in solid personal character -- the kind of >>> people >>> some of us would like to have for neighbors ! ! ! Kind and generous, >>> honest >>> and faithful, God-fearing and spiritually strong. >>> >>> I know my comment is a bit "off subject," but I couldn't resist. The >> term >>> just jumped out at me. There are exceptions, of course, but generally >>> our >>> "soft living" today is producing an unkind and greedy, deceitful and >>> incompetent, immoral and spiritually dead society ! Give me the old >>> "hollow >>> folk" ANY day ! >>> >>> Carole D. Bryant >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> [log in to unmask] writes: >>> >>> Carolyn, what a nice response. Many of my kin came to the Shenandoah >>> Valley in the 1730s. I can't imagine how tough the conditions were >> while >>> they tried to put up a cabin. I look at how spoiled I am (can't be >> too >>> warm or too cool) and wonder how, genetically, my line survived. >>> >>> Your comments reminded me of a book I read ...Hollow Folk by Mandel >>> Sherman >>> and Thomas R. Henry. It was written in 1933 and tells of life in the >>> hollows on the Blue Ridge Mountains. From the tone of your email....I >>> think you may enjoy it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Madaline >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >>>> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or >>>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central >>> heat... >>>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood >>>> and >>> had >>>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay >>> awhile, >>>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which >>>> would >>>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep >>> > everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into >> "straw >>>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor >> to >>>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's. >>>> >>>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and >>> sisters >>>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or >>> three >>>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one >> for >>>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at >> their >>>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold >>>> wouldn't >>> even >>> > come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly >> freezing >>> in >>>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in >> the >>>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose. >>>> >>>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the >> 20th >>>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold >> in >>>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in >> flight >>>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals >>> and >>>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister) >> who >>>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the >> next >>> on >>>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from >> that >>>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that >>> started >>>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the >> "Little >>> Ice >>>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a >>> large >>>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his >>>> neighbors. >>>> >>>> Thank goodness for central heat. >>>> >>>> Carolyn >>>> >>>> -- >>> > Carolyn HALE BRUCE >>>> Virginia Beach, VA >>> > >>>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >>> instructions >>>> at >>> > >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/**archives/va-roots.html< >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html> >>> > >>> >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >>> instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html >>> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html >> >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 02:01:57 -0600 > From: Poldi Tonin <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: About bedcovers... was inventory > > Have read the first 30 pages of book and wish I could find the complete > book. Written by health and social professionals in the 1930's from > research on-site, it is an eye-opener to the horrid living > conditions of the folks in the five subject Hollows. > The ignorance, laziness, filth and poverty these people were content with > in the 20th century America is horrid. Intermarriage and perpetual > pregnancy, lack of health services and high death rate of infants is > pitiful. > This book does not glamorize the folks of the Hollows but reveals their > hidden communities in their mountain shacks all of which are described as > less than 100 miles from the U.S. capital. > > Thanks for the link to the book. > Tree Mother > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lona Boudreaux <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks for posting. I will look for this book as my husband and I have >> enjoyed our visits to the Blue Ridge area. >> >> Lona >> Monroe, Louisiana >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Domer >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:38 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory >> >> Carole- >> >> You are right on the mark with your analysis of people then and now. >> >> Sharon Shaffer Domer >> >> From: Carole D. Bryant <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] About bedcovers... was inventory >> >> "Hollow Folk" ! I reckon those folk were anything but "hollow" ! Such >> living most often results in solid personal character -- the kind of >> people >> some of us would like to have for neighbors ! ! ! Kind and generous, >> honest >> and faithful, God-fearing and spiritually strong. >> >> I know my comment is a bit "off subject," but I couldn't resist. The term >> just jumped out at me. There are exceptions, of course, but generally our >> "soft living" today is producing an unkind and greedy, deceitful and >> incompetent, immoral and spiritually dead society ! Give me the old >> "hollow >> folk" ANY day ! >> >> Carole D. Bryant >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/18/2012 3:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [log in to unmask] writes: >> >> Carolyn, what a nice response. Many of my kin came to the Shenandoah >> Valley in the 1730s. I can't imagine how tough the conditions were while >> they tried to put up a cabin. I look at how spoiled I am (can't be too >> warm or too cool) and wonder how, genetically, my line survived. >> >> Your comments reminded me of a book I read ...Hollow Folk by Mandel >> Sherman >> and Thomas R. Henry. It was written in 1933 and tells of life in the >> hollows on the Blue Ridge Mountains. From the tone of your email....I >> think you may enjoy it. >> >> Regards, >> Madaline >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carolyn Bruce <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Quantities of blankets, quilts, and coverlids (a.k.a. counterpanes or >>> "countypins") were necessary in homes in which there was no central >>> >> heat... >> >>> and if the fire went out, no heat at all. Most homes were of wood and had >>> no insulating materials. In addition, kinfolks might come to stay awhile, >>> often around the holidays... maybe with numerous children, which would >>> require providing pallets or some form of bedding to be able to sleep >>> everyone comfortably. Straw or corn shucks would be stuffed into "straw >>> ticks" which made rudimentary mattresses that were laid on the floor to >>> accommodate visitors, especially young un's. >>> >>> My mother told of growing up in a house with all her brothers and >>> >> sisters >> >>> (there were ten) at home at one time, sharing beds among them, two or >>> >> three >> >>> in a bed. There were two upstairs bedrooms, one for the boys and one for >>> the girls... but come fall of the year, teachers often boarded at their >>> house, and the boys were pushed out into an attic space. Cold wouldn't >>> >> even >> >>> come close to describing the conditions. At times it was truly freezing >>> >> in >> >>> the bedrooms and they would have to break ice on top of the water in the >>> wash bowl and ewer to wash their faces when they arose. >>> >>> In the time frame of your "wagoner", it was even colder than in the 20th >>> century, at least in the U.S. and Europe. Around 1700, it was so cold in >>> the area known as Alsace-Lorraine, it is said that birds froze in flight >>> and fell from the sky. Heavy snows fell in most of Europe, and canals and >>> streams froze. Remember Hans Brinker, the poor boy (and his sister) who >>> competed in the traditional speed-skating race from one town to the next >>> >> on >> >>> the frozen canal? And all those snowy Currier and Ives prints from that >>> period? That was during a centuries-long dip in temperatures that started >>> in the early 1300s and ended about the mid-1800s... called the "Little >>> >> Ice >> >>> Age". So your wagoner would have been most appreciative of having a large >>> stockpile of warm blankets and other bedcovers, as would most of his >>> neighbors. >>> >>> Thank goodness for central heat. >>> >>> Carolyn >>> >>> -- >>> Carolyn HALE BRUCE >>> Virginia Beach, VA >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >>> at >>> >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/****archives/va-roots.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/**archives/va-roots.html> >> <http://**listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-**roots.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html> >>> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/**archives/va-roots.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html> >> >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/**archives/va-roots.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html> >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/**archives/va-roots.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/**archives/va-roots.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html> >> > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html