Anne,
I don't think anyone questions what you do on your own website, but rather
the fact that you advertise links to your commercial pages on this list.
It's a bit like a person wearing a sign-board in a non-commercial area.
--Tom
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Brent,
>
> My take on Herbert's question was to presume that he was just trying to
> find a means to diminish my contributions to the list because he had run out
> of arguments to offset mine. It was someone on the list who questioned the
> presence of my book promotion on MY website, and Herbert jumped on it as a
> point to discredit my work without having looked at it himself. One of those
> in the discussion, wrote me offlist, and when I said perhaps I should tone
> down the "advertisement" value of that page, said not to change anything on
> my website, that it was, as the google stats bear out, and important and
> valuable site for K-12. It is not a site purely for history, but emcompasses
> all K-12 subjects. The matter of whether or not I should "promote" my book
> on my web site and whether or not it constitutes "marketing" on an "org"
> site or not, is more a matter between myself and the owner of the site, than
> an issue to be bandied about on Va. History list. I did not bring it up,
> because the book has no relevence to history. But, I did respond to those
> who sought to diminish my efforts through this sidebar. They are commenting
> without having seen what I do, or having any understanding of how I make use
> of this list in growing the Virginia portion of the list.
>
> Herbert Barger is one who, I think, misuses the list to promote his point
> of view and diminish all who disagree with him. That he chose to jump on the
> attack of my website is additional proof that his arguments cannot stand on
> their own merit. My assertion that continuing to paint those who see things
> differently are promoting an image of Jefferson as a pimp, was an effort to
> bring some of these people to an understanding of what they are really
> saying when they insist that anyone who disagrees with them is a LIAR. I am
> especially hurt to see such old time list members such as Jon Kukla and
> Henry Weincek painted with this broad brush of "lying", when they are good
> historians and good writers who bring to light the less-well-known points of
> view in the discussions.
>
> Unlike some who have painted Jon Kukla with a broad brush, I have read,
> re-read, and thoroughly enjoyed his book on Jefferson's Women. Yesterday I
> started Henry Weincek's book on Washington "An Imperfect God". I can see
> where those who want to put our Founding Fathers (or at least those
> fromVirginia), on a high pedestal would be upset by such works, but as one
> who like a good story, I enjoy reading about the basic humanity of these
> people. It does not in any way tarnish what they accomplished for this
> country.
>
> Some time back, there was a heated discussion on Abraham Lincoln, on which
> many on this list, trashed one of the greatest presidents of all time.
> Somehow, the ideals of not "tarnishing the image" of people like Jefferson
> and Washington, is right and good, but tarring and feathering Lincoln is
> quite acceptable. This is a double standard that offends my sensibilities.
>
> Well, enough for now. I will try to ignore the coming rages from the list
> for awhile and cool my heels. I will, again, point out, that I think your
> criticism of Anita Wills is without basis. I may deserve your censure, but
> she doesn't. I will remind that someone else responded to my comments on the
> value of oral history by sharing a link to George Mason University's site
> that is chock full of oral history mixed in with the standard stuff. This
> is an area of history that interests me far more than regurgitating the same
> old same old.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tarter, Brent (LVA)" <
> [log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Marketing & .org
>
>
>
> I do not entirely understand the question.
>
> Va-Hist and Va-Roots are open forums for the discussion of topics
> related to research and writing about Virginia history and culture,
> including family history. That said, we have discouraged commercial
> promotion in order to keep the lists free of marketing notices that
> would inevitably overwhelm or detract from dicussions of the topis for
> which we created and maintain the lists.
>
> Please do not advertize or promote your own or any other person's
> merchandize on these sites. If, as often happens in lerned discussions,
> people have legitimate occasions to refer to their own scholarship,
> that's quite a different matter.
>
> What other people permit or do not permit on their lists and what may be
> or may not be permissible in other domains that the state of Virginia's
> virginia.gov sites is none of my or our business.
>
> Brent Tarter
> The Library of Virginia
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Please visit the Library of Virginia's Web site at
> http://www.lva.virginia.gov
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herbert Barger
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:07 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Marketing & .org
>
> Mr. Brent Tarter,
>
> Possibly you may clarify this argument that Tom brings out. I earlier
> had noticed the same thing. Is it true that advertising can be carried
> on a taxpayer free VA. Library page dedicated to genealogy and history?
>
>
> Herb Barger
>
>
> High horse or not, you are offering a book for sale on a site which you
> say carries no marketing. The URL I provided is on the
> educationalsynthesis.org website. It promotes the book, it gives the
> price of the book, it gives discount instructions, and it gives guidance
> on where to purchase. Marketing is the commercial processes involved in
> promoting and selling and distributing a product or service. I would say
> the page fit nicely into the marketing definition.
>
> I have been unable to find anywhere, that it is written, that an .org
> website "CANNOT carry any marketing." Would you provide your source for
> this information?
>
> Tom
> South Central Virginia & More
> http://socenva.com
>
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