Anne, I don't think anyone questions what you do on your own website, but rather the fact that you advertise links to your commercial pages on this list. It's a bit like a person wearing a sign-board in a non-commercial area. --Tom On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Brent, > > My take on Herbert's question was to presume that he was just trying to > find a means to diminish my contributions to the list because he had run out > of arguments to offset mine. It was someone on the list who questioned the > presence of my book promotion on MY website, and Herbert jumped on it as a > point to discredit my work without having looked at it himself. One of those > in the discussion, wrote me offlist, and when I said perhaps I should tone > down the "advertisement" value of that page, said not to change anything on > my website, that it was, as the google stats bear out, and important and > valuable site for K-12. It is not a site purely for history, but emcompasses > all K-12 subjects. The matter of whether or not I should "promote" my book > on my web site and whether or not it constitutes "marketing" on an "org" > site or not, is more a matter between myself and the owner of the site, than > an issue to be bandied about on Va. History list. I did not bring it up, > because the book has no relevence to history. But, I did respond to those > who sought to diminish my efforts through this sidebar. They are commenting > without having seen what I do, or having any understanding of how I make use > of this list in growing the Virginia portion of the list. > > Herbert Barger is one who, I think, misuses the list to promote his point > of view and diminish all who disagree with him. That he chose to jump on the > attack of my website is additional proof that his arguments cannot stand on > their own merit. My assertion that continuing to paint those who see things > differently are promoting an image of Jefferson as a pimp, was an effort to > bring some of these people to an understanding of what they are really > saying when they insist that anyone who disagrees with them is a LIAR. I am > especially hurt to see such old time list members such as Jon Kukla and > Henry Weincek painted with this broad brush of "lying", when they are good > historians and good writers who bring to light the less-well-known points of > view in the discussions. > > Unlike some who have painted Jon Kukla with a broad brush, I have read, > re-read, and thoroughly enjoyed his book on Jefferson's Women. Yesterday I > started Henry Weincek's book on Washington "An Imperfect God". I can see > where those who want to put our Founding Fathers (or at least those > fromVirginia), on a high pedestal would be upset by such works, but as one > who like a good story, I enjoy reading about the basic humanity of these > people. It does not in any way tarnish what they accomplished for this > country. > > Some time back, there was a heated discussion on Abraham Lincoln, on which > many on this list, trashed one of the greatest presidents of all time. > Somehow, the ideals of not "tarnishing the image" of people like Jefferson > and Washington, is right and good, but tarring and feathering Lincoln is > quite acceptable. This is a double standard that offends my sensibilities. > > Well, enough for now. I will try to ignore the coming rages from the list > for awhile and cool my heels. I will, again, point out, that I think your > criticism of Anita Wills is without basis. I may deserve your censure, but > she doesn't. I will remind that someone else responded to my comments on the > value of oral history by sharing a link to George Mason University's site > that is chock full of oral history mixed in with the standard stuff. This > is an area of history that interests me far more than regurgitating the same > old same old. > > Anne > > Anne Pemberton > [log in to unmask] > http://www.erols.com/apembert > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tarter, Brent (LVA)" < > [log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: Marketing & .org > > > > I do not entirely understand the question. > > Va-Hist and Va-Roots are open forums for the discussion of topics > related to research and writing about Virginia history and culture, > including family history. That said, we have discouraged commercial > promotion in order to keep the lists free of marketing notices that > would inevitably overwhelm or detract from dicussions of the topis for > which we created and maintain the lists. > > Please do not advertize or promote your own or any other person's > merchandize on these sites. If, as often happens in lerned discussions, > people have legitimate occasions to refer to their own scholarship, > that's quite a different matter. > > What other people permit or do not permit on their lists and what may be > or may not be permissible in other domains that the state of Virginia's > virginia.gov sites is none of my or our business. > > Brent Tarter > The Library of Virginia > [log in to unmask] > > Please visit the Library of Virginia's Web site at > http://www.lva.virginia.gov > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herbert Barger > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:07 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Marketing & .org > > Mr. Brent Tarter, > > Possibly you may clarify this argument that Tom brings out. I earlier > had noticed the same thing. Is it true that advertising can be carried > on a taxpayer free VA. Library page dedicated to genealogy and history? > > > Herb Barger > > > High horse or not, you are offering a book for sale on a site which you > say carries no marketing. The URL I provided is on the > educationalsynthesis.org website. It promotes the book, it gives the > price of the book, it gives discount instructions, and it gives guidance > on where to purchase. Marketing is the commercial processes involved in > promoting and selling and distributing a product or service. I would say > the page fit nicely into the marketing definition. > > I have been unable to find anywhere, that it is written, that an .org > website "CANNOT carry any marketing." Would you provide your source for > this information? > > Tom > South Central Virginia & More > http://socenva.com > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html