Here we go again...this is it for me, too much childishness here on this
forum and not enough history.
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Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave
Traders, plus Africa
You're like a caricature of a right wing nut....
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> This is whining,
>
> J South
>
> Neil,
>
> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting
> the name of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be
> correct, inasmuch as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
>
> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans
> before the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two
> and make your
>
> case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who
> were complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be
> challenged. The CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the
> Declaration of Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an
> attempt at true freedom for man, and then a decade later turned their
> backs on those brought here as slaves.
>
> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own
> freedom and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and
workers?
>
> Anne
>
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2008 1:40:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> J South,
>
> I don't see that people "whine" about slavery, so much as I hear a
> continuous "whine" about the Civil War, the actions of the north
> necessary to end that conflict, and the effects of reconstruction
> which led to a backlash known as Jim Crow which dragged the issue of
> slavery into the 20th century, and which is still a factor today, in
the 21st century.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
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> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus
> Africa
>
>
>
>> Of course involuntary servitude is immoral by 21st century
standards.
>> However, I am really tired of Americans who continually whine about
>> it as if it has had some impact on their lives today.
>>
>> JD Southmayd
>> a/k/a J South
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/26/2008 12:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> I don't think that any of us feel that slavery was a good thing.
>> But historically it was a fact of life. It should be remembered that
>> slavery was legal and practiced in the North as well. But the
>> economics in the North did not promote widespread slavery. It was
>> found in certain industries (like the iron industry) where large
>> numbers of the workers in places as far north as NJ, PA, and NY were
>> enslaved. The Saugus IW north of Boston used prisoners of war for
>> their workforce (not much better).
>>
>> Most of us alive today wish that the Founding Fathers could have
>> figured out a way to abolish slavery. But they did not and slavery
>> continued to be a problem until it was abolished as a result of the
>> American Civil War (or whatever you choose to call it). The
>> abolition movement was a Christian movement. It took almost 2000
>> years, but other religions were in no hurry to end slavery until
>> Christianity (supported by European navies and armies) appeared.
>>
>> The fact remains that slavery as a world wide practice was ended by
>> the nations of Europe (and the US), often by force. It was the US
>> and British Navy that ended the West African slave trade by
blockading or
>> embargoing the coast. The East African and interior slave trade
(both
>> about equal in size to the West African trade) continued to
>> flourish until they were essentially ended as a result of European
>> colonization of Africa. Slavery continued to be legal in a number
>> of countries until well into the late 20th century. It is still
practiced, albeit
>> illegally, in parts of Africa and Asia.
>>
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