Here we go again...this is it for me, too much childishness here on this forum and not enough history. -----Original Message----- From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ray Bonis Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:08 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa You're like a caricature of a right wing nut.... [log in to unmask] wrote: > This is whining, > > J South > > Neil, > > People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting > the name of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be > correct, inasmuch as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown. > > But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans > before the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two > and make your > > case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who > were complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be > challenged. The CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the > Declaration of Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an > attempt at true freedom for man, and then a decade later turned their > backs on those brought here as slaves. > > How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own > freedom and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers? > > Anne > > > In a message dated 6/26/2008 1:40:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [log in to unmask] writes: > > J South, > > I don't see that people "whine" about slavery, so much as I hear a > continuous "whine" about the Civil War, the actions of the north > necessary to end that conflict, and the effects of reconstruction > which led to a backlash known as Jim Crow which dragged the issue of > slavery into the 20th century, and which is still a factor today, in the 21st century. > > Anne > > Anne Pemberton > [log in to unmask] > http://www.erols.com/apembert > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus > Africa > > > >> Of course involuntary servitude is immoral by 21st century standards. >> However, I am really tired of Americans who continually whine about >> it as if it has had some impact on their lives today. >> >> JD Southmayd >> a/k/a J South >> >> >> In a message dated 6/26/2008 12:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [log in to unmask] writes: >> >> I don't think that any of us feel that slavery was a good thing. >> But historically it was a fact of life. It should be remembered that >> slavery was legal and practiced in the North as well. But the >> economics in the North did not promote widespread slavery. It was >> found in certain industries (like the iron industry) where large >> numbers of the workers in places as far north as NJ, PA, and NY were >> enslaved. The Saugus IW north of Boston used prisoners of war for >> their workforce (not much better). >> >> Most of us alive today wish that the Founding Fathers could have >> figured out a way to abolish slavery. But they did not and slavery >> continued to be a problem until it was abolished as a result of the >> American Civil War (or whatever you choose to call it). The >> abolition movement was a Christian movement. It took almost 2000 >> years, but other religions were in no hurry to end slavery until >> Christianity (supported by European navies and armies) appeared. >> >> The fact remains that slavery as a world wide practice was ended by >> the nations of Europe (and the US), often by force. It was the US >> and British Navy that ended the West African slave trade by blockading or >> embargoing the coast. The East African and interior slave trade (both >> about equal in size to the West African trade) continued to >> flourish until they were essentially ended as a result of European >> colonization of Africa. Slavery continued to be legal in a number >> of countries until well into the late 20th century. It is still practiced, albeit >> illegally, in parts of Africa and Asia. >> >> ______________________________________ >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >> instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >> fuel-efficient used cars. >> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >> >> ______________________________________ >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >> instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. 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