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 Of course, the first secession movement was a northern one as a result of northern dissatisfaction over the War of 1812 and against their valued trading partner, England.

I wouldn't mind if those northern states re-raised the issue and acted on it.

J South


 


 

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There is strong evidence that one of the Vice Presidential candidates is/was 
involved in a secessionist movement.?
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> In fact, from 1825-1840 the cadets at West Point learned government from 
> the text of William Rawle's book, A View of the Constitution of the United 
> States of America.? The book taught the prevailing view that secession was 
> an absolute right of each state, which could decide at any time whether it 
> wanted to continue as a member of the Union.?

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> Lincoln never gave the US courts the opportunity to render an opinion on 
> the Constitutionality of secession.? He just summarily called for the 
> raising of an army to invade the initially seceding states, and thereby 
> drove states that had not yet seceded, like Virginia, out of the Union; 
> and drove REL into the service of Virginia rather than the Federal 
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> I suspect we have not heard the last of secession in the US.?

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> At the time there was considerable debate as to the legality of secession. 
> It was resolved, rather messily by the war. But constitutionally, it is my 
> understanding, that the right of secession is still debatable. So it was 
> not "illegal". And for the record before Anne jumps all over me, as far as 
> I know all of my relatives, including the Lees, were Yankees.??

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> On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Anne Pemberton wrote:??

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>> Actually, the president only acted AFTER the south illegally > seceded, 
>> and then attacked the federal garrison at Fort Sumpter. > Even had the 
>> secession been legal, which it wasn't, taking over the > Fort at Sumpter 
>> was not at all legal.??

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>> So don't blame the man who happened to be siting in the White House > 
>> when the south lost its marbles.??

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