Of course, the first secession movement was a northern one as a result of northern dissatisfaction over the War of 1812 and against their valued trading partner, England. I wouldn't mind if those northern states re-raised the issue and acted on it. J South -----Original Message----- From: Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 3:34 pm Subject: Re: REL J. South,? ? There is strong evidence that one of the Vice Presidential candidates is/was involved in a secessionist movement.? ? Anne? ? Anne Pemberton? [log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/apembert? http://www.educationalsynthesis.org? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[log in to unmask]>? To: <[log in to unmask]>? Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:24 PM? Subject: Re: REL? ? > In fact, from 1825-1840 the cadets at West Point learned government from > the text of William Rawle's book, A View of the Constitution of the United > States of America.? The book taught the prevailing view that secession was > an absolute right of each state, which could decide at any time whether it > wanted to continue as a member of the Union.? >? > Lincoln never gave the US courts the opportunity to render an opinion on > the Constitutionality of secession.? He just summarily called for the > raising of an army to invade the initially seceding states, and thereby > drove states that had not yet seceded, like Virginia, out of the Union; > and drove REL into the service of Virginia rather than the Federal > government.? >? > I suspect we have not heard the last of secession in the US.? >? > J South? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: James Brothers <[log in to unmask]>? > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 9:36 am? > Subject: Re: REL? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > At the time there was considerable debate as to the legality of secession. > It was resolved, rather messily by the war. But constitutionally, it is my > understanding, that the right of secession is still debatable. So it was > not "illegal". And for the record before Anne jumps all over me, as far as > I know all of my relatives, including the Lees, were Yankees.?? > ?? >? > On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Anne Pemberton wrote:?? > ?? >? >> J. South,?? >? >>?? >? >> Actually, the president only acted AFTER the south illegally > seceded, >> and then attacked the federal garrison at Fort Sumpter. > Even had the >> secession been legal, which it wasn't, taking over the > Fort at Sumpter >> was not at all legal.?? >? >>?? >? >> So don't blame the man who happened to be siting in the White House > >> when the south lost its marbles.?? >? >>?? >? >> Anne?? >? >>?? >? >> Anne Pemberton?? >? >> [log in to unmask] >? >> http://www.erols.com/apembert?? >? >> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org?? >? >> ______________________________________?? >? >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > >> instructions at?? >? >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html?? > ?? >? > ______________________________________?? >? > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at?? >? > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html?? >? >? >? >? >? >? > ______________________________________? > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at? > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ? ______________________________________? To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at? http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html? ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html