Geez,
I wonder if J. South will caution you against whining for:
Anne Pemberton
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----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Corneliussen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
>> People will study whatever parts of
>> history interest them. Putting the name
>> of an unknown African on a rock at
>> Poquoson would not be correct, inasmuch
>> as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
>
> I'm guessing that the equivalent of a typo got us from the Potomac River
> to the city of Poquoson. As a Poquoson resident and a defender of Fort
> Monroe -- the national treasure that the Civil War Preservation Trust says
> is under threat (please see the top of the page at CFMNP.org) -- I'd
> better note something about that ship carrying those first Africans in
> 1619. Before going on to Jamestown, it stopped first at Old Point Comfort,
> the strategic point of land overlooking Hampton Roads and the lower bay. A
> quarter of a millennium later, during Fort Monroe's earliest decades at
> Old Point Comfort, and just after Fort Sumter, the first African-American
> self-emancipations of the multi-named 1861-1865 conflict took place there.
> Prof. Bob Engs at Penn says that those self-emancipations started a
> cascade across the South that ended up helping to determine the war's
> outcome. In my view this is all the more important because, as my friend
> Scott Butler wrote in a brief op-ed
> (http://www.cfmnp.org/we_should_tell_the_full-circle_story.htm) last year,
> "we should tell the full-circle story of slavery at Old Point Comfort" --
> from that 1619 ship through the slave-labor construction of the moated
> stone fortress, to the beginnings of slavery's end, to Reconstruction and
> its lamentable undermining by an evil that, as its perpetrators would know
> full well if they were here, existed beyond any defense by presentism
> arguments.
> Steve Corneliussen
> Poquoson, Virginia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
>
>
>> Neil,
>>
>> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting the
>> name
>> of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct,
>> inasmuch
>> as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
>>
>> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans before
>> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and make
>> your
>> case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who were
>> complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be challenged. The
>> CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the Declaration of
>> Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an attempt at true
>> freedom
>> for man, and then a decade later turned their backs on those brought here
>> as
>> slaves.
>>
>> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own
>> freedom
>> and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers?
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Anne Pemberton
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>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
>>
>>
>>> In Henry's attempt to shift focus away from Africans' responsibility for
>>> maiming, killing, capturing and enslaving their own people for sale to
>>> the
>>> world, his analogy and logic fall short -- and he doesn't offer help
>>> with
>>> names that was my pursuit. Weapons of all sorts that were useful for
>>> hunting, fishing and cleaning game were also substitutes for maiming and
>>> killing people since time's beginning, by those who would find any means
>>> for that result, initially their bare hands, blunt objects, sharp rocks
>>> or
>>> sticks, then malleable metals, (all of these still used) etc. etc. I
>>> simply wish to see one African slave-trader's name emblazoned on the
>>> shore
>>> of the Potomac for all people to remember the representative great evil.
>>> It is 'not' my intent to belittle subsequent evils within countries
>>> where
>>> slaves were taken, the vastly greater numbers being to other than
>>> British
>>> colonial America and its subsequent United States where slavery finally
>>> was ended with great loss of military lives.
>>>
>>> ......and slavery still continues 'today' in some parts of the world,
>>> where are our concerns expressed toward this additional matter?
>>>
>>> Neil McDonald
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Henry Wiencek" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>> ....Instead of focusing our judicial fury on murderers, the
>>> "secondary few" who pull the trigger, we should hunt down the gun
>>> manufacturers, those who are "primarily responsible for the endless
>>> supply"
>>> of guns in our country and "share accountabilities" for gun violence. I
>>> think that's where we end up with this line of reasoning.
>>>
>>> Henry Wiencek
>>>
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