Geez, I wonder if J. South will caution you against whining for: Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/apembert http://www.educationalsynthesis.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Corneliussen" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa >> People will study whatever parts of >> history interest them. Putting the name >> of an unknown African on a rock at >> Poquoson would not be correct, inasmuch >> as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown. > > I'm guessing that the equivalent of a typo got us from the Potomac River > to the city of Poquoson. As a Poquoson resident and a defender of Fort > Monroe -- the national treasure that the Civil War Preservation Trust says > is under threat (please see the top of the page at CFMNP.org) -- I'd > better note something about that ship carrying those first Africans in > 1619. Before going on to Jamestown, it stopped first at Old Point Comfort, > the strategic point of land overlooking Hampton Roads and the lower bay. A > quarter of a millennium later, during Fort Monroe's earliest decades at > Old Point Comfort, and just after Fort Sumter, the first African-American > self-emancipations of the multi-named 1861-1865 conflict took place there. > Prof. Bob Engs at Penn says that those self-emancipations started a > cascade across the South that ended up helping to determine the war's > outcome. In my view this is all the more important because, as my friend > Scott Butler wrote in a brief op-ed > (http://www.cfmnp.org/we_should_tell_the_full-circle_story.htm) last year, > "we should tell the full-circle story of slavery at Old Point Comfort" -- > from that 1619 ship through the slave-labor construction of the moated > stone fortress, to the beginnings of slavery's end, to Reconstruction and > its lamentable undermining by an evil that, as its perpetrators would know > full well if they were here, existed beyond any defense by presentism > arguments. > Steve Corneliussen > Poquoson, Virginia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > > >> Neil, >> >> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting the >> name >> of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct, >> inasmuch >> as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown. >> >> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans before >> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and make >> your >> case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who were >> complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be challenged. The >> CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the Declaration of >> Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an attempt at true >> freedom >> for man, and then a decade later turned their backs on those brought here >> as >> slaves. >> >> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own >> freedom >> and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers? >> >> Anne >> >> Anne Pemberton >> [log in to unmask] >> http://www.erols.com/apembert >> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:26 AM >> Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa >> >> >>> In Henry's attempt to shift focus away from Africans' responsibility for >>> maiming, killing, capturing and enslaving their own people for sale to >>> the >>> world, his analogy and logic fall short -- and he doesn't offer help >>> with >>> names that was my pursuit. Weapons of all sorts that were useful for >>> hunting, fishing and cleaning game were also substitutes for maiming and >>> killing people since time's beginning, by those who would find any means >>> for that result, initially their bare hands, blunt objects, sharp rocks >>> or >>> sticks, then malleable metals, (all of these still used) etc. etc. I >>> simply wish to see one African slave-trader's name emblazoned on the >>> shore >>> of the Potomac for all people to remember the representative great evil. >>> It is 'not' my intent to belittle subsequent evils within countries >>> where >>> slaves were taken, the vastly greater numbers being to other than >>> British >>> colonial America and its subsequent United States where slavery finally >>> was ended with great loss of military lives. >>> >>> ......and slavery still continues 'today' in some parts of the world, >>> where are our concerns expressed toward this additional matter? >>> >>> Neil McDonald >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Henry Wiencek" <[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> ....Instead of focusing our judicial fury on murderers, the >>> "secondary few" who pull the trigger, we should hunt down the gun >>> manufacturers, those who are "primarily responsible for the endless >>> supply" >>> of guns in our country and "share accountabilities" for gun violence. I >>> think that's where we end up with this line of reasoning. >>> >>> Henry Wiencek >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> ______________________________________ >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1517 - Release Date: 6/24/2008 > 8:41 PM > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html