There you go, whining again, J. South.
The Founding Fathers envisioned an armed MILITIA, not gun-toting rednecks
out to defend their right to be "bitter" over the outcome of the civil war.
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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> Proud to be such a caricature on the day the US Supreme Court finally and
> definitively affirmed what the Founding Fathers meant in enacting the
> Second
> Amendment to the US Constitution. Now us "right wing" gun-toters aren't
> "nuts", just Constitutional scholars.
>
> J South
>
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2008 2:08:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> You're like a caricature of a right wing nut....
>
> [log in to unmask] wrote:
>> This is whining,
>>
>> J South
>>
>> Neil,
>>
>> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting the
> name
>> of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct,
> inasmuch
>> as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
>>
>> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans
>> before
>> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and make
> your
>>
>> case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who were
>> complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be challenged.
>> The
>> CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the Declaration of
>> Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an attempt at true
> freedom
>> for man, and then a decade later turned their backs on those brought
>> here
> as
>> slaves.
>>
>> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own
> freedom
>> and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers?
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/26/2008 1:40:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> J South,
>>
>> I don't see that people "whine" about slavery, so much as I hear a
>> continuous "whine" about the Civil War, the actions of the north
> necessary
>> to end that conflict, and the effects of reconstruction which led to a
>> backlash known as Jim Crow which dragged the issue of slavery into the
> 20th
>> century, and which is still a factor today, in the 21st century.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Anne Pemberton
>> [log in to unmask]
>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus
> Africa
>>
>>
>>
>>> Of course involuntary servitude is immoral by 21st century standards.
>>> However, I am really tired of Americans who continually whine about it
> as
>>> if it
>>> has had some impact on their lives today.
>>>
>>> JD Southmayd
>>> a/k/a J South
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/26/2008 12:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>
>>> I don't think that any of us feel that slavery was a good thing.
>>> But
>>> historically it was a fact of life. It should be remembered that
>>> slavery was legal and practiced in the North as well. But the
>>> economics in the North did not promote widespread slavery. It was
>>> found in certain industries (like the iron industry) where large
>>> numbers of the workers in places as far north as NJ, PA, and NY were
>>> enslaved. The Saugus IW north of Boston used prisoners of war for
>>> their workforce (not much better).
>>>
>>> Most of us alive today wish that the Founding Fathers could have
>>> figured out a way to abolish slavery. But they did not and slavery
>>> continued to be a problem until it was abolished as a result of the
>>> American Civil War (or whatever you choose to call it). The abolition
>>> movement was a Christian movement. It took almost 2000 years, but
>>> other religions were in no hurry to end slavery until Christianity
>>> (supported by European navies and armies) appeared.
>>>
>>> The fact remains that slavery as a world wide practice was ended by
>>> the nations of Europe (and the US), often by force. It was the US and
>>> British Navy that ended the West African slave trade by blockading
>>> or
>>> embargoing the coast. The East African and interior slave trade (both
>>> about equal in size to the West African trade) continued to flourish
>>> until they were essentially ended as a result of European
>>> colonization
>>> of Africa. Slavery continued to be legal in a number of countries
>>> until well into the late 20th century. It is still practiced, albeit
>>> illegally, in parts of Africa and Asia.
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