There you go, whining again, J. South. The Founding Fathers envisioned an armed MILITIA, not gun-toting rednecks out to defend their right to be "bitter" over the outcome of the civil war. Anne Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/apembert http://www.educationalsynthesis.org ----- Original Message ----- From: <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > Proud to be such a caricature on the day the US Supreme Court finally and > definitively affirmed what the Founding Fathers meant in enacting the > Second > Amendment to the US Constitution. Now us "right wing" gun-toters aren't > "nuts", just Constitutional scholars. > > J South > > > In a message dated 6/26/2008 2:08:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [log in to unmask] writes: > > You're like a caricature of a right wing nut.... > > [log in to unmask] wrote: >> This is whining, >> >> J South >> >> Neil, >> >> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting the > name >> of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct, > inasmuch >> as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown. >> >> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans >> before >> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and make > your >> >> case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who were >> complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be challenged. >> The >> CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the Declaration of >> Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an attempt at true > freedom >> for man, and then a decade later turned their backs on those brought >> here > as >> slaves. >> >> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own > freedom >> and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers? >> >> Anne >> >> >> In a message dated 6/26/2008 1:40:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [log in to unmask] writes: >> >> J South, >> >> I don't see that people "whine" about slavery, so much as I hear a >> continuous "whine" about the Civil War, the actions of the north > necessary >> to end that conflict, and the effects of reconstruction which led to a >> backlash known as Jim Crow which dragged the issue of slavery into the > 20th >> century, and which is still a factor today, in the 21st century. >> >> Anne >> >> Anne Pemberton >> [log in to unmask] >> http://www.erols.com/apembert >> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus > Africa >> >> >> >>> Of course involuntary servitude is immoral by 21st century standards. >>> However, I am really tired of Americans who continually whine about it > as >>> if it >>> has had some impact on their lives today. >>> >>> JD Southmayd >>> a/k/a J South >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 6/26/2008 12:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> [log in to unmask] writes: >>> >>> I don't think that any of us feel that slavery was a good thing. >>> But >>> historically it was a fact of life. It should be remembered that >>> slavery was legal and practiced in the North as well. But the >>> economics in the North did not promote widespread slavery. It was >>> found in certain industries (like the iron industry) where large >>> numbers of the workers in places as far north as NJ, PA, and NY were >>> enslaved. The Saugus IW north of Boston used prisoners of war for >>> their workforce (not much better). >>> >>> Most of us alive today wish that the Founding Fathers could have >>> figured out a way to abolish slavery. But they did not and slavery >>> continued to be a problem until it was abolished as a result of the >>> American Civil War (or whatever you choose to call it). The abolition >>> movement was a Christian movement. It took almost 2000 years, but >>> other religions were in no hurry to end slavery until Christianity >>> (supported by European navies and armies) appeared. >>> >>> The fact remains that slavery as a world wide practice was ended by >>> the nations of Europe (and the US), often by force. It was the US and >>> British Navy that ended the West African slave trade by blockading >>> or >>> embargoing the coast. The East African and interior slave trade (both >>> about equal in size to the West African trade) continued to flourish >>> until they were essentially ended as a result of European >>> colonization >>> of Africa. Slavery continued to be legal in a number of countries >>> until well into the late 20th century. It is still practiced, albeit >>> illegally, in parts of Africa and Asia. >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >>> fuel-efficient used cars. >>> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >>> instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >> >> ______________________________________ >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >> instructions > at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Gas prices getting you down? 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