All very well said.  I could not come up with the 'facing'  categories, but
they express my thoughts.

re the 18th century, I am biased toward Thomas Jefferson sort of on both
counts.  Of course the Declaration of Independence as outward facing, but
the as gov of Virginia and most establishing a system of education in the
Commonwealth, not the least of which is THE University.

On the other hand, after  listening to '1776' I must nominate George
Washington as the greatest outward-facing Virginian.  Without his ability to
lead, inspire and compromise, we might all be singing "God Save the Queen",
and playing crickett instead of baseball.

Randy Cabell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Louis Zambone" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Great/Important 18th Century Virginian


>I have been struck by the two types of Virginians that we have been
> nominating.  The first type can be classified as the "Inward-facing
> Virginian", someone whose importance was greatest (if not confined) to
> Virginia.  In earlier centuries I would put Byrd and Mahone in this
> category.  The second category would be the "Outward-facing Virginian",
> whose importance for Virginia itself might be minimal, but had great
> importance for the rest of the United States.  Into this category we
> might put George Marshall, who certainly thought he was a Virginian;
> and maybe also Booker T. Washington (yes, his later life was lived
> outside Virginia; but he was born in slavery here, was shuffled about
> by the war, and was educated at Hampton--it's easier to think of him as
> a Virginian than to call Frederick Douglass a Marylander).  A final
> category--which has to be unknown to any state but Virginia--would be
> those who are "Virginia-haunted", who have minimal if any connection
> with the Dominion, but insist that they really are Virginians:  Woodrow
> Wilson, George S. Patton and Alan Tate all come to mind, and I'll bet
> there are others.
>
> In the 18C I would nominate Patrick Henry as the greatest
> "Inward-Facing Virginian", and, almost inevitably, Thomas Jefferson as
> the greatest "Outward-Facing Virginian".  Those are sort of inevitable
> picks, but as much as I'd like to name William Byrd II, I can do no
> other.
>
>
> Al Zambone
>
> ----------
> Albert Louis Zambone
> St. Cross College
> University of Oxford
> [log in to unmask]
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> On 17 Jan 2006, at 08:20, Brent Tarter wrote:
>
>> The last two weeks we have had some discussions about the greatest or
>> most important Virginians of the 19th and 20th centuries. This week
>> let's think about the 18th century, including other people than George
>> Washington who might very well run away with the prize.
>>
>> Brent Tarter
>> The Library of Virginia
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Visit the Library of Virginia's web site at http://www.lva.lib.va.us
>>
>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the
>> instructions
>> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html
>>
>
> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions
> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html
>

To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions
at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html