All very well said. I could not come up with the 'facing' categories, but they express my thoughts. re the 18th century, I am biased toward Thomas Jefferson sort of on both counts. Of course the Declaration of Independence as outward facing, but the as gov of Virginia and most establishing a system of education in the Commonwealth, not the least of which is THE University. On the other hand, after listening to '1776' I must nominate George Washington as the greatest outward-facing Virginian. Without his ability to lead, inspire and compromise, we might all be singing "God Save the Queen", and playing crickett instead of baseball. Randy Cabell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Louis Zambone" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Great/Important 18th Century Virginian >I have been struck by the two types of Virginians that we have been > nominating. The first type can be classified as the "Inward-facing > Virginian", someone whose importance was greatest (if not confined) to > Virginia. In earlier centuries I would put Byrd and Mahone in this > category. The second category would be the "Outward-facing Virginian", > whose importance for Virginia itself might be minimal, but had great > importance for the rest of the United States. Into this category we > might put George Marshall, who certainly thought he was a Virginian; > and maybe also Booker T. Washington (yes, his later life was lived > outside Virginia; but he was born in slavery here, was shuffled about > by the war, and was educated at Hampton--it's easier to think of him as > a Virginian than to call Frederick Douglass a Marylander). A final > category--which has to be unknown to any state but Virginia--would be > those who are "Virginia-haunted", who have minimal if any connection > with the Dominion, but insist that they really are Virginians: Woodrow > Wilson, George S. Patton and Alan Tate all come to mind, and I'll bet > there are others. > > In the 18C I would nominate Patrick Henry as the greatest > "Inward-Facing Virginian", and, almost inevitably, Thomas Jefferson as > the greatest "Outward-Facing Virginian". Those are sort of inevitable > picks, but as much as I'd like to name William Byrd II, I can do no > other. > > > Al Zambone > > ---------- > Albert Louis Zambone > St. Cross College > University of Oxford > [log in to unmask] > [log in to unmask] > > > On 17 Jan 2006, at 08:20, Brent Tarter wrote: > >> The last two weeks we have had some discussions about the greatest or >> most important Virginians of the 19th and 20th centuries. This week >> let's think about the 18th century, including other people than George >> Washington who might very well run away with the prize. >> >> Brent Tarter >> The Library of Virginia >> [log in to unmask] >> >> Visit the Library of Virginia's web site at http://www.lva.lib.va.us >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html