James,
I'm not sure that re-establishing the Catholic Church would have been a bad
idea. What were the Spanish doing that the Picts, Celts, Saxons, and Romans
had not already done?
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Brothers" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers
> Anne
> The Spanish for much of the period were at war with various countries,
> including England. The Spanish Armada, had Drake et al (and the weather)
> not stopped them, were supposed to invade England and reestablish the
> Roman Catholic Church and impose the Inquisition. They were using the
> gold, silver, and gems they got from their American colonies to finance
> the Armada as well as war in the Low Countries. Drake and the other sea
> captains on the English side were using the treasure from captured
> galleons to keep England English.
>
> On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Anne Pemberton wrote:
>
>> And just what "freedom" was Drake fighting for?
>>
>> Nat Turner wanted freedom for people enslaved? What "freedom" was Drake
>> hoping for?
>>
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Anne Pemberton
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers
>>
>>
>>> Drake was just an English "freedom fighter".? So what if he killed and
>>> pillaged, just like ole Nat Turner.
>>>
>>> J South
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Philip Adams <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 8:34 am
>>> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To the English he was a National hero. To the Sapnish he was the Jesse
>>> James
>>> of the day. It is all a matter of whose ox is getting gored. The
>>> Indians
>>> were just wanting to figure out to get rid of all of them.
>>> JPAdams
>>> Texas
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf of Anne Pemberton
>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:06 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that thieving from a thief is an honorable undertaking.
>>> After
>>> All, Drake did not return those "riches" to the native people, but just
>>> Passed them on to other people who didn't deserve them either.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Philip Adams"
>>> <[log in to unmask]
>>> >
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Drake is considered a war hero and explorer in England. What he did
>>>> was to
>>>> fight against a Spanish force that at the time was oppressing,
>>>> stealing
>>>> the
>>>> gold, silver, and other resources, of the indigenous natives, Aztecs
>>>> and
>>>> Incas. So who is the more guilty party? Drake circumnavigated the
>>>> planet
>>>> while the Spanish were busy trying to pillage the resources. Drake was
>>>> knighted for this exploit and also for his efforts, his uncle's Sir
>>>> John
>>>> Hawkins and the rest of the English Admirality in 1588. Beating the
>>>> Spanish
>>>> and saving the world from the Inqusition of Torqueamda and the Spanish
>>>> Catholic Church shold also receive a little mention.
>>>> John Philip Adams
>>>> Texas
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Sharon Peery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This strikes me as anachronistic. Sir Francis Drake was
>>>>> a pirate too, you know. One of the ways early govern-
>>>>> ments dealt with insufficient funds to create an adequate
>>>>> navy was to issue letters of marque and to set the whole
>>>>> thing up as a free enterprise. (With the entire private
>>>>> contractors presently operating in Iraq, we seem to be returning to
>>>>> that era.)
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Nat Turner, Gabriel etc., just how were slaves
>>>>> who objected to slavery supposed to respond? There
>>>>> were certainly no legal routes for them to pursue, and
>>>>> they sometimes responded with what seems to us
>>>>> "mindless violence," in the great tradition of the European peasant
>>>>> uprisings. I too am a fan of Douglas
>>>>> Egerton's book on Gabriel's rebellion, and it should be
>>>>> noted that Mr. Egerton contends that Gabriel was very
>>>>> much influenced by the rhetoric of the Jeffersonian
>>>>> party around the 1800 elections.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Pemberton"
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Nat Turner Rebellion
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