James, I'm not sure that re-establishing the Catholic Church would have been a bad idea. What were the Spanish doing that the Picts, Celts, Saxons, and Romans had not already done? Anne Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/apembert http://www.educationalsynthesis.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brothers" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers > Anne > The Spanish for much of the period were at war with various countries, > including England. The Spanish Armada, had Drake et al (and the weather) > not stopped them, were supposed to invade England and reestablish the > Roman Catholic Church and impose the Inquisition. They were using the > gold, silver, and gems they got from their American colonies to finance > the Armada as well as war in the Low Countries. Drake and the other sea > captains on the English side were using the treasure from captured > galleons to keep England English. > > On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Anne Pemberton wrote: > >> And just what "freedom" was Drake fighting for? >> >> Nat Turner wanted freedom for people enslaved? What "freedom" was Drake >> hoping for? >> >> >> Anne >> >> Anne Pemberton >> [log in to unmask] >> http://www.erols.com/apembert >> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:35 AM >> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers >> >> >>> Drake was just an English "freedom fighter".? So what if he killed and >>> pillaged, just like ole Nat Turner. >>> >>> J South >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Philip Adams <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Sent: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 8:34 am >>> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers >>> >>> >>> >>> To the English he was a National hero. To the Sapnish he was the Jesse >>> James >>> of the day. It is all a matter of whose ox is getting gored. The >>> Indians >>> were just wanting to figure out to get rid of all of them. >>> JPAdams >>> Texas >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf of Anne Pemberton >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:06 AM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers >>> >>> John, >>> >>> I'm not sure that thieving from a thief is an honorable undertaking. >>> After >>> All, Drake did not return those "riches" to the native people, but just >>> Passed them on to other people who didn't deserve them either. >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> Anne Pemberton >>> [log in to unmask] >>> http://www.erols.com/apembert >>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Philip Adams" >>> <[log in to unmask] >>> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: Pirates and Privateers >>> >>> >>>> Drake is considered a war hero and explorer in England. What he did >>>> was to >>>> fight against a Spanish force that at the time was oppressing, >>>> stealing >>>> the >>>> gold, silver, and other resources, of the indigenous natives, Aztecs >>>> and >>>> Incas. So who is the more guilty party? Drake circumnavigated the >>>> planet >>>> while the Spanish were busy trying to pillage the resources. Drake was >>>> knighted for this exploit and also for his efforts, his uncle's Sir >>>> John >>>> Hawkins and the rest of the English Admirality in 1588. Beating the >>>> Spanish >>>> and saving the world from the Inqusition of Torqueamda and the Spanish >>>> Catholic Church shold also receive a little mention. >>>> John Philip Adams >>>> Texas >>>> >>>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Sharon Peery wrote: >>>> >>>>> This strikes me as anachronistic. Sir Francis Drake was >>>>> a pirate too, you know. One of the ways early govern- >>>>> ments dealt with insufficient funds to create an adequate >>>>> navy was to issue letters of marque and to set the whole >>>>> thing up as a free enterprise. (With the entire private >>>>> contractors presently operating in Iraq, we seem to be returning to >>>>> that era.) >>>>> >>>>> As for Nat Turner, Gabriel etc., just how were slaves >>>>> who objected to slavery supposed to respond? There >>>>> were certainly no legal routes for them to pursue, and >>>>> they sometimes responded with what seems to us >>>>> "mindless violence," in the great tradition of the European peasant >>>>> uprisings. I too am a fan of Douglas >>>>> Egerton's book on Gabriel's rebellion, and it should be >>>>> noted that Mr. Egerton contends that Gabriel was very >>>>> much influenced by the rhetoric of the Jeffersonian >>>>> party around the 1800 elections. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Pemberton" >>>>> <[log in to unmask] >>>>> > >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:28 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Nat Turner Rebellion >>>> >>>> ______________________________________ >>>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >>>> instructions >>>> at >>>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>>> >>>> ______________________________________ >>>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >>>> instructions >>>> at >>>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >>> instructions at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >>> instructions at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >>> instructions at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> ______________________________________ >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html