Neil, I do not know a Joseph Ellis, so do not know how you can presume he
told me anything. I only know Jon Kukla from the list and from seeing his
books around and about. And, as I've said before, I've not read Ms.
Gordon-Reed's books at all. I have read a number of books about Jefferson by
various authors, and some works by Jefferson himself. I would not hold
myself out as an authority on Jefferson, but I'm not out in left field
either. And, I don't generally decide not to read certain books because
someone declares them "revisionist history". If the topic is within my
interests and I can read the book, I do so. I've read Dumas Malone, (Sage of
Monticello) as someone recommended some time back, and I found it to be a
stuffy uninteresting book, more of an apology for Jefferson being a human
being, than anything else.
Anne
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: What is the current defination of "revisionist history"?
> Anne, you offer a half-hearted apology to the list, then try to include me
> with 'your side.' I don't understand why you believe 'the other side' is
> so scholarly -- you apparently haven't investigated even one of many
> challenges to the accuracy and merits of their many claims. 'Scholarly'
> means so much more than an academic process. But it seems you indeed do
> recognize the culture wars do exist and are indeed important -- just as
> Joseph Ellis and others of your 'the other side' have told and directed
> you. There is no turncoat here, I don't know why/how you ever thought
> this was possible. I'll stick with my independent beliefs as I have
> presented them at VA-HIST.
>
> Neil McDonald
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] What is the current defination of "revisionist
> history"?
>
>
>> Neil,
>>
>> I realize I was pretty angry when I replied to Herbert. Not only does he
>> assign motives to people without knowing what he's talking about, he also
>> cast aspersions regarding my use of this listserve supported by my tax
>> moneys. Enough was enough!
>>
>> Ten years from now, we will know whether or not he is right or wrong
>> about Jefferson. Science will advance to where the question is decided by
>> DNA or other forensic means rather than by whether or not he is a
>> Founding Father.
>>
>> I wish you luck in your pursuit of the data in Kukla's book and hope that
>> you, at least, will realize that those who write "the other side" are not
>> the scoundrels that Herbert paints them as. As we both learned last
>> night, the research into "the other side" is probably more scholarly than
>> Herbert's protestations.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>>
>> Anne Pemberton
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>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: What is the current defination of "revisionist history"?
>>
>>
>>> Anne, your 'off the wall' multi-faceted rant to Herb, and prior ones,
>>> leads me to address all of your points very directly, one by one, just
>>> as A.G-R did when she responded to Herb's questions at her book
>>> bally-hoo for Washington Post, and at prior times:
>>>
>>> You are just wrong in so many ways, too many ways for me to begin to
>>> state. If I tried with all my powers, I could not begin to exaggerate
>>> how wrong you are. You can't have read any of my postings, certainly not
>>> the ones that just came out a week and you resonded vehemently for days
>>> after that. I have never said I believe I believe you. No one who has
>>> read my postings could ever claim that and certainly not one who read
>>> the second. I am not attacking you. I think you are among the greatest
>>> VA-HIST posters who ever lived, including your many flaws and being
>>> absolutely wrong-minded and all. Period.
>>>
>>> Neil McDonald
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] What is the current defination of "revisionist
>>> history"?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Herbert,
>>>>
>>>
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