Neil, I do not know a Joseph Ellis, so do not know how you can presume he told me anything. I only know Jon Kukla from the list and from seeing his books around and about. And, as I've said before, I've not read Ms. Gordon-Reed's books at all. I have read a number of books about Jefferson by various authors, and some works by Jefferson himself. I would not hold myself out as an authority on Jefferson, but I'm not out in left field either. And, I don't generally decide not to read certain books because someone declares them "revisionist history". If the topic is within my interests and I can read the book, I do so. I've read Dumas Malone, (Sage of Monticello) as someone recommended some time back, and I found it to be a stuffy uninteresting book, more of an apology for Jefferson being a human being, than anything else. Anne Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/apembert http://www.educationalsynthesis.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: Re: What is the current defination of "revisionist history"? > Anne, you offer a half-hearted apology to the list, then try to include me > with 'your side.' I don't understand why you believe 'the other side' is > so scholarly -- you apparently haven't investigated even one of many > challenges to the accuracy and merits of their many claims. 'Scholarly' > means so much more than an academic process. But it seems you indeed do > recognize the culture wars do exist and are indeed important -- just as > Joseph Ellis and others of your 'the other side' have told and directed > you. There is no turncoat here, I don't know why/how you ever thought > this was possible. I'll stick with my independent beliefs as I have > presented them at VA-HIST. > > Neil McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] What is the current defination of "revisionist > history"? > > >> Neil, >> >> I realize I was pretty angry when I replied to Herbert. Not only does he >> assign motives to people without knowing what he's talking about, he also >> cast aspersions regarding my use of this listserve supported by my tax >> moneys. Enough was enough! >> >> Ten years from now, we will know whether or not he is right or wrong >> about Jefferson. Science will advance to where the question is decided by >> DNA or other forensic means rather than by whether or not he is a >> Founding Father. >> >> I wish you luck in your pursuit of the data in Kukla's book and hope that >> you, at least, will realize that those who write "the other side" are not >> the scoundrels that Herbert paints them as. As we both learned last >> night, the research into "the other side" is probably more scholarly than >> Herbert's protestations. >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> Anne Pemberton >> [log in to unmask] >> http://www.erols.com/apembert >> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:15 AM >> Subject: Re: What is the current defination of "revisionist history"? >> >> >>> Anne, your 'off the wall' multi-faceted rant to Herb, and prior ones, >>> leads me to address all of your points very directly, one by one, just >>> as A.G-R did when she responded to Herb's questions at her book >>> bally-hoo for Washington Post, and at prior times: >>> >>> You are just wrong in so many ways, too many ways for me to begin to >>> state. If I tried with all my powers, I could not begin to exaggerate >>> how wrong you are. You can't have read any of my postings, certainly not >>> the ones that just came out a week and you resonded vehemently for days >>> after that. I have never said I believe I believe you. No one who has >>> read my postings could ever claim that and certainly not one who read >>> the second. I am not attacking you. I think you are among the greatest >>> VA-HIST posters who ever lived, including your many flaws and being >>> absolutely wrong-minded and all. Period. >>> >>> Neil McDonald >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] What is the current defination of "revisionist >>> history"? >>> >>> >>>> Herbert, >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> ______________________________________ >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html