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It's happened again.-They are coming in though (MY) southern border.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Finkelman <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Long memories


> Invading PA was not terrorism; there was terrorism in Maryland (John
> Merryman blowing up bridges etc) and in  Missouri and there wre  many
> war crimes (like Fort Pillow), but the invading armies were were not
> terrorists; traitors yes, but not terrorists
> 
> Paul Finkelman
> President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
>      and Public Policy
> Albany Law School
> 80 New Scotland Avenue
> Albany, New York   12208-3494
> 
> 518-445-3386 
> [log in to unmask]
> >>> [log in to unmask] 02/14/07 6:11 PM >>>
> Nancy,
> 
> Sorry to disturb your sensibilities, but I do think that terrorists is a
> 
> good description of what the southern soldiers were doing. I'm thinking
> of 
> such things as the invasion of southern Pennsylvania, the torture and 
> mutilation of bodies of Union soldiers, especially black Union soldiers,
> and 
> other attrocities that were committed by those who refused to accept the
> 
> constitutional rule of the majority in this nation.
> 
> Just as, I would not take the word only of the settlers at Jamestown for
> the 
> truth of the way of life of Native Americans, I do not take only the
> word of 
> southerners for what happened in the uncivil war. There was no "Northern
> 
> Aggression", and, in Virginia, the Union Army did NOT "lay waste" to the
> 
> land. In fact, it was the south who set their own capital city of fire
> to 
> prevent the north from taking possession of the cotton in the
> warehouses. If 
> it is best to research Native Americans by exploring their lives from
> their 
> own perspective, then it is best to research that nasty war from both
> sides 
> of the conflict.
> 
> Use of the term "southern terrorists" was intended to offset the nasty
> terms 
> already being thrown into the fire. Abraham Lincoln was a good,
> god-fearing, 
> people-loving man who solved a grievous problem in a bad time. He paid
> for 
> his goodness in his untimely death at the hands of a man who refused to 
> accept the moral mandate of the nation.
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> Anne Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sunshine49" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Long memories
> 
> 
> > "Southern terrorists"? It's bigoted name calling like that which 
> causes 
> > the war to never end. Once people- any people- start rewriting 
> history- 
> > any history- for political ends, you're in trouble.
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> > -------
> > I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
> >
> > --Daniel Boone
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Anne Pemberton wrote:
> >
> >> Henry,
> >>
> >> Apparently, some people do not perceive the need to "get over it", 
> they 
> >> just inflict that flippancy to those they disrespect.
> >>
> >> Never mind that Virginians "laid waste " to the lives, homes, and 
> lands 
> >> of the Native Americans. That was OK. But for Lincoln to  respond to
> the 
> >> attack of the southern terrorists, was certainly  indecent of him. He
> 
> >> should have just let those terrorists have  their way, as they did in
> the 
> >> countryside of Pennsylvania.
> >>
> >> Anne
> >>
> >> Anne Pemberton
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >> http://www.erols.com/stevepem
> >> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> >> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Wiencek" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:02 PM
> >> Subject: Long memories
> >>
> >>
> >> This just in on the AP wire:
> >>
> >> RICHMOND, Va.
> >>
> >> Virginia lawmakers killed legislation today that would have made 
> >> Virginia
> >> part of the national commemoration of Abraham Lincoln's 200th 
> birthday.
> >>
> >> . . . Robert Lamb of Richmond, a member of the Sons of Confederate
> >> Veterans, told the committee that Lincoln ... quote ... "sent  armies
> 
> >> into
> >> Virginia to lay waste to our land."
> >>
> >> ***
> >>
> >> I guess "with malice toward none" doesn't cut it any longer.  Do I 
> hear
> >> anyone saying "Get over it"?
> >>
> >> Henry Wiencek
> >> Charlottesville
> >>
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