Well, if the Kingfish does prevail, my friends living on this barrier island in Northern Florida, are suggesting, in jest I assume, that we blow up the bridge to the mainland and declare our independence.? I guess they are suggesting secession, although in jest.
J South
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J. South,?
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Well, it seems that Virginia has the opportunity to be the king-maker next
month, and the polls are leaning towards Obama. Far better to have an
intelligent man with less experience, than a foolish old man with only a
little more experience and non in an executive position. That said, I will
say no more about the pending election, except that I am hoping for a
grassroots win.?
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Anne?
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> Yes, the Federal Forts, and particularly Sumter, were given to the Federal
> government by the states.? Sumter was given by South Carolina on the
> condition that certain maintenance and improvements would be made to it,
> which the US failed to comply with.?
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> The Oval Office is not a place for on the job training for former
> community organizers or former state governors who don't know their way
> around DC or the Federal goverment.?
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> J South?
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> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]>?
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> Subject: Re: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment?
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> J. South,??
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> Everyone elected to the presidency is "inexperienced" in some degree or?
> another, unless they have served already, in which case, they can be
> judged?
> on their record.??
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> Why did the south want the federal forts to be surrended to them anyway?
> Had?
> they paid for them? Resupplying a fort is not reason to fire on it. It is?
> reason to ask what is going on and set another date, if desired, to?
> surrender the fort. But, the term "surrender" suggests that the south?
> expected it to be a gift. What consideration were they giving for this
> fort???
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>> Nice analysis of history.? Sounds like it was written by Seward.??
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>> The peaceful surrender of Fort Sumter was arranged for April 15th.? Then?
>> Lincoln, et. al., thought they would be cute and try to resupply the fort?
>> with troops and arms under the noses of the South Carolina militia.? The?
>> approach of the ships triggered the firing.? The firing triggered another?
>> brilliant Lincoln move of calling for troops from all the states in the?
>> Union, including Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee and North Carolina, to?
>> invade the South.??
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>> Lincoln handled the secession crisis with all the finesse of a bull in a?
>> china shop, and was personally responsible for the deaths of?
>> 600,000-700,000 brave American men.? A good lesson on why not to elect?
>> inexperienced politicians to the presidency during times of crisis, or
>> any?
>> other time for that matter.??
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>> Your qualifications are worth noting. President Lincoln did not?
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>> call out an army, but acted with caution and reason in response to the??
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>> demands to take over federal propery, such as Fort Sumpter, and such.
>> For??
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>> the life of me, I do not understand why the south pretends they were put??
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>> upon by the war, when it was the south that fired the first shot. Had
>> the??
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>> south responded with courtesy and restraint with the commander at Fort??
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>> Sumpter, who was in the right to continue his presence until recalled by?
>> his??
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>> commander in chief, they could have averted the blood shed. The south
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> "Lincoln never gave the US courts the opportunity to render an opinion
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>>> the Constitutionality of secession.? He???
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>>> just summarily called for the raising of an army to invade the
>>> initially??
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>>> seceding states --"???
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>>> The statement does not suit for any general examination of a timeline
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>>> a "dejure" secessionist argument since???
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>>> An argument for secession must be incident free of any act of violence
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>>> Constitution -- using a literal reading thereof.???
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