To which I only wish to reply, and with no irony intended . . .
Amen :)
All best,
Kevin
---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:08:15 -0400
>From: "Lyle E. Browning" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: New Presidential Descendant Claimant
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>Herbert is correct in his remarks about the possibility. And Sandy is
>certainly a red-head nickname. And his final point about the DNA
>testing is the one that all should take away from this discussion.
>Without additional testing, all the analysis of existing and known
>documents will not settle the issue.
>
>Science rules, OK.
>
>Lyle Browning, RPA
>
>
>On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Anne Pemberton wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> You are committing the sin that you accuse others of ... lots of
>> maybes in your remark, none of which you can prove. You can't even
>> prove that there was a red-headed slave on the property. A name
>> doesn't establish any fact whatsoever. You seem anxious to jump on
>> almost anything that could be made into an excuse for Jefferson's
>> paternity.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Anne Pemberton
>> [log in to unmask]
>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Barger" <[log in to unmask]
>> >
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: New Presidential Descendant Claimant
>>
>>
>> Mr Corneliussen is absolutely correct that it is "possible" that a
>> slave
>> inherited from Peter Jefferson (Thomas Jefferson's father) could have
>> carried the Jefferson DNA from past Jefferson males. This slave's
>> name was
>> "SANDY", a name that denotes reddish hair, and this man could have
>> fathered
>> a male heir who "may" have been a father to some of Sally's
>> children. Please
>> remember that only ONE Hemings family member was DNA tested.
>>
>> Herb Barger
>> Jefferson Family Historian
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven T. Corneliussen
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:32 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] New Presidential Descendant Claimant
>>
>> And please forgive me if I'm misinterpreting something related from
>> Kevin
>> Hardwick's Oct. 12 revised list of the things that we can "say about
>> Sally
>> Hemings that no one is likely to dispute." Item 5 on that revised list
>> says that the "father of one of [SH's] children -- Eston Hemings --
>> was
>> descended from Thomas Jefferson's paternal grandfather; that is to
>> say, we
>> can narrow the list of possible fathers for this child to Thomas
>> Jefferson, TJ's brother, his paternal uncles, and his paternal
>> cousins."
>>
>> It seems to me that, at a minimum, this phrasing fails to make
>> completely
>> clear what is known about the radius of the circle of paternity
>> candidates. That complete clarity is important because many
>> participants
>> in Hemings-TJ discussions, and almost all participants in the media,
>> presume that the circle includes only Jeffersons who were routinely
>> acknowledged at the time as members of the extended Jefferson
>> family. In
>> my view it's important to stipulate specifically the possibility of
>> paternity by some unknown carrier of the Jefferson DNA marker within
>> the
>> enslaved population. We know that the DNA marker crossed the race
>> line. We
>> do not know whether it crossed the race line in a generation earlier
>> than
>> the one that produced Eston Hemings. Now, this may well be an
>> outlandish
>> possibility in terms of the historical evidence. But because the DNA
>> evidence says nothing whatsoever about it, as a matter of DNA
>> science the
>> circle of paternity candidates must actually be defined as wider
>> than the
>> circle of males in the known, acknowledged, extended Jefferson
>> family. As
>> a matter of DNA science, we simply do not know the radius of the
>> circle of
>> paternity candidates. (And yes, here I have repeated myself nearly
>> verbatim, but in this case it seemed necessary.)
>>
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