Clara- I think you're right-Barrett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clara Callahan" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Jordan's Journey & Beggars Bush


> Hello Mr Decker,
>
>  This is a great site but I have one question.  In the opening sentence,
> "The sites associated with the early 17th-century settlement known as
> Jordan's Journey were located at Jordan's Point near the confluence of the
> James and Appomatox rivers in Prince George's County, Virginia," shouldn't
> it read "Prince George County?"  It's how I immediately recognize one as
> being in Maryland and one in Virginia.  It's probably not important but I
> thought I'd mention it.
>
>  Clara
>
>
> Barrett Decker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  Neil- If you go to
> http://www.chesapeakearchaeology.org/HTM_Site_Summaries/JordansJourneySummary.htm
> you will find some of the archaeological material on line-Barrett
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katharine Harbury"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Jordan's Journey & Beggars Bush
>
>
> There are indeed archaeological reports on Jordan's Journey. You can
> see these reports in the library at the Department of Historic
> Resources, Richmond, Virginia by contacting the archivist, Quattro
> Hubbard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Neil Howlett
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:42 PM
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> Subject: Jordan's Journey & Beggars Bush
>
> I am researching the place-name Beggars Bush, and have come across many
> references to Samuel Jordan and his plantation and house in Virginia.
>
> Many of these attribute the name to the play by Beaumont & Fletcher.
> Although I think that was influential in the distribution of the name in
> England I don't think that it can be the source for Jordan's house as
> from the reports I have seen the plantation was founded in 1619, and the
> house added later. The earliest record of the house name I have seen is
> when is was fortified against the Indian uprising by the Pamunkeys in
> 1622. Jordan was reputed shipwrecked on Bermuda en route in the "Sea
> Venture" between 1609/10, although his name does not appear on the
> (incomplete) passenger list, and there is no evidence he was related to
> Sylvester Jourdain, whose account of the shipwreck was published and
> included in Hakluyt, and a reputed source for The Tempest.
>
> Fletcher only began collaborating with Beaumont in 1607, and the first
> recorded performance of The Beggars Bush was not until 1622. Fredson
> Bowers posits an earlier performance c. 1613/14 but even that seem too
> late, as the play wasn't published until 1647, and would not be likely
> to have circulated in ms. It seem impossible that the house could have
> be named after a play he could not have seen or heard of it, unless
> closely connected with the players at the Court, and he departed well
> after the traditional date for his voyage.
>
> I think it far more likely the name comes from a common usage in
> Elizabethan writing, both literary and letters. One of the earliest
> usages of the phrase is in "Her Protection for Women", a pamphlet
> published in London in 1589. This purports to be written by "Jane Anger,
> Gentlewoman at London", almost certainly a pseudonym chosen to suit the
> content of the work. This was an erudite response to His Surfeit in Love
> (1588) by Thomas Orwin, which accused women of being lustful and
> untrustworthy. It is a well-written and erudite work, mixing classical
> myths with street polemic.
> Jane Anger adopts a common theme:-"The great Patrimonies that wealthy
> men leave their children after their death, make them rich: but vice and
> other marthriftes happening into their companies, never leave them until
> they be at the beggars bush, where I can assure they become poor." There
> are many other uses of the phrase in the period 1580-1680, meaning to be
> brought dwon to poverty, often through your own folly.
>
> I would very much like to know more about Jordan, his plantation and
> house. I understand there was an archaeological investigation. I would
> be grateful for any information, leads or contacts.
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