Clara- I think you're right-Barrett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clara Callahan" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Jordan's Journey & Beggars Bush > Hello Mr Decker, > > This is a great site but I have one question. In the opening sentence, > "The sites associated with the early 17th-century settlement known as > Jordan's Journey were located at Jordan's Point near the confluence of the > James and Appomatox rivers in Prince George's County, Virginia," shouldn't > it read "Prince George County?" It's how I immediately recognize one as > being in Maryland and one in Virginia. It's probably not important but I > thought I'd mention it. > > Clara > > > Barrett Decker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Neil- If you go to > http://www.chesapeakearchaeology.org/HTM_Site_Summaries/JordansJourneySummary.htm > you will find some of the archaeological material on line-Barrett > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katharine Harbury" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Jordan's Journey & Beggars Bush > > > There are indeed archaeological reports on Jordan's Journey. You can > see these reports in the library at the Department of Historic > Resources, Richmond, Virginia by contacting the archivist, Quattro > Hubbard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Neil Howlett > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:42 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Jordan's Journey & Beggars Bush > > I am researching the place-name Beggars Bush, and have come across many > references to Samuel Jordan and his plantation and house in Virginia. > > Many of these attribute the name to the play by Beaumont & Fletcher. > Although I think that was influential in the distribution of the name in > England I don't think that it can be the source for Jordan's house as > from the reports I have seen the plantation was founded in 1619, and the > house added later. The earliest record of the house name I have seen is > when is was fortified against the Indian uprising by the Pamunkeys in > 1622. Jordan was reputed shipwrecked on Bermuda en route in the "Sea > Venture" between 1609/10, although his name does not appear on the > (incomplete) passenger list, and there is no evidence he was related to > Sylvester Jourdain, whose account of the shipwreck was published and > included in Hakluyt, and a reputed source for The Tempest. > > Fletcher only began collaborating with Beaumont in 1607, and the first > recorded performance of The Beggars Bush was not until 1622. Fredson > Bowers posits an earlier performance c. 1613/14 but even that seem too > late, as the play wasn't published until 1647, and would not be likely > to have circulated in ms. It seem impossible that the house could have > be named after a play he could not have seen or heard of it, unless > closely connected with the players at the Court, and he departed well > after the traditional date for his voyage. > > I think it far more likely the name comes from a common usage in > Elizabethan writing, both literary and letters. One of the earliest > usages of the phrase is in "Her Protection for Women", a pamphlet > published in London in 1589. This purports to be written by "Jane Anger, > Gentlewoman at London", almost certainly a pseudonym chosen to suit the > content of the work. This was an erudite response to His Surfeit in Love > (1588) by Thomas Orwin, which accused women of being lustful and > untrustworthy. It is a well-written and erudite work, mixing classical > myths with street polemic. > Jane Anger adopts a common theme:-"The great Patrimonies that wealthy > men leave their children after their death, make them rich: but vice and > other marthriftes happening into their companies, never leave them until > they be at the beggars bush, where I can assure they become poor." There > are many other uses of the phrase in the period 1580-1680, meaning to be > brought dwon to poverty, often through your own folly. > > I would very much like to know more about Jordan, his plantation and > house. I understand there was an archaeological investigation. I would > be grateful for any information, leads or contacts. > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the > instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html