You know, the more I read your insinuation, the more insulted I get.
Evidently, your group exists to protect Mr. Jefferson's reputation
but in doing so, you don't mind running roughshod over other
people's... like mine. Unless I am misreading [and if so, I
apologize] or you phrased it awkwardly, yes, I am insulted. Mr.
Jefferson isn't the only person with a "reputation", you know. Even
we not-so-famous people do, too.
Nancy
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I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
--Daniel Boone
On May 5, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Herbert Barger wrote:
> Nancy,
>
> You have a great handle on the issue and you state it well. The
> Jefferson-Hemings issue started as a James Callender Campaign Lie that
> was proved just that by DNA.....NO match between TJ and Tom Woodson.
> Fawn Brodie came along with her weird analysis and told the Eston
> relatives that why should they cling to the long held belief that
> their
> ancestor was "a Jefferson uncle", meaning Randolph Jefferson WHEN they
> could claim THOMAS himself and since then this is what we have. They
> even threw Fawn Brodie out of her LDS Church for degrading and
> painting
> their founder in a bad light.........just as a similar approach of TJ.
> But in the Jefferson case we have people WILLING to receive the
> UPGRADE
> in brothers to enhance their image, in my opinion.
>
> Your portrayal of Mr. Jefferson as "SCUM" pretty well enlightens your
> readers as to your thoughts and beliefs.
>
> Herb Barger
> Jefferson Family Historian
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Jefferson's Overseer
>
> there were also white/ black marriages, or relationships, look at
> some of the runaway ads in the Virginia Gazette, a mixed couple
> thought to be passing as husband and wife, or a man and woman of each
> race ran off together. These weren't rapes. In Nov.1797 William
> Cardwell, who was white, married "Betty Brown, colored, of lawful
> age, Kitty Brown her mother" in Henrico County. So there would be
> some white genes in their descendants that were not the result of
> plantation rape. They got married, presumably they cared for each
> other, to defy convention of the times like they did. Is it some sort
> of "outrage identity" to think all white- black sex was the result of
> rape by masters on their slaves? It was a very complex subject; rent
> or buy "African Americans Lives" 1 & 2 and you'll see how complex it
> was.
>
> I'm wondering if this Mobius Strip of a topic will ever end, future
> historians reading these posts will wonder at all the time and brain
> cells put into arguing what are basically points of view. Mr.
> Jefferson was great, Mr. Jefferson was scum. He seems to be used here
> as a means of validating one's view of Colonial life. And since there
> is so little that is CONCRETE about this particular issue, it is easy
> to do, and the debate can continue forever. Personally, I feel that
> DNA shows that one of Ms. Hemmings' children was sired by "A"
> Jefferson male. The family says it was T. Jefferson's uncle. But we
> can discount DNA and family stories because some smear -mongering
> newspaperman and one census entry say otherwise. Mr. Jefferson owned
> slaves, therefore he had to have raped at least one of them.
> Repeatedly. That's nothing but surmise. It would not hold up in
> history or in court. I suspect for a lot of the Jefferson defenders,
> the surmise aspect of it is what rankles the most. People are passing
> very harsh judgement on a man and trashing him, with almost nothing
> in the way of proof.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Nancy
>
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>
> --Daniel Boone
>
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