You know, the more I read your insinuation, the more insulted I get. Evidently, your group exists to protect Mr. Jefferson's reputation but in doing so, you don't mind running roughshod over other people's... like mine. Unless I am misreading [and if so, I apologize] or you phrased it awkwardly, yes, I am insulted. Mr. Jefferson isn't the only person with a "reputation", you know. Even we not-so-famous people do, too. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On May 5, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Herbert Barger wrote: > Nancy, > > You have a great handle on the issue and you state it well. The > Jefferson-Hemings issue started as a James Callender Campaign Lie that > was proved just that by DNA.....NO match between TJ and Tom Woodson. > Fawn Brodie came along with her weird analysis and told the Eston > relatives that why should they cling to the long held belief that > their > ancestor was "a Jefferson uncle", meaning Randolph Jefferson WHEN they > could claim THOMAS himself and since then this is what we have. They > even threw Fawn Brodie out of her LDS Church for degrading and > painting > their founder in a bad light.........just as a similar approach of TJ. > But in the Jefferson case we have people WILLING to receive the > UPGRADE > in brothers to enhance their image, in my opinion. > > Your portrayal of Mr. Jefferson as "SCUM" pretty well enlightens your > readers as to your thoughts and beliefs. > > Herb Barger > Jefferson Family Historian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sunshine49 > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:02 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Jefferson's Overseer > > there were also white/ black marriages, or relationships, look at > some of the runaway ads in the Virginia Gazette, a mixed couple > thought to be passing as husband and wife, or a man and woman of each > race ran off together. These weren't rapes. In Nov.1797 William > Cardwell, who was white, married "Betty Brown, colored, of lawful > age, Kitty Brown her mother" in Henrico County. So there would be > some white genes in their descendants that were not the result of > plantation rape. They got married, presumably they cared for each > other, to defy convention of the times like they did. Is it some sort > of "outrage identity" to think all white- black sex was the result of > rape by masters on their slaves? It was a very complex subject; rent > or buy "African Americans Lives" 1 & 2 and you'll see how complex it > was. > > I'm wondering if this Mobius Strip of a topic will ever end, future > historians reading these posts will wonder at all the time and brain > cells put into arguing what are basically points of view. Mr. > Jefferson was great, Mr. Jefferson was scum. He seems to be used here > as a means of validating one's view of Colonial life. And since there > is so little that is CONCRETE about this particular issue, it is easy > to do, and the debate can continue forever. Personally, I feel that > DNA shows that one of Ms. Hemmings' children was sired by "A" > Jefferson male. The family says it was T. Jefferson's uncle. But we > can discount DNA and family stories because some smear -mongering > newspaperman and one census entry say otherwise. Mr. Jefferson owned > slaves, therefore he had to have raped at least one of them. > Repeatedly. That's nothing but surmise. It would not hold up in > history or in court. I suspect for a lot of the Jefferson defenders, > the surmise aspect of it is what rankles the most. People are passing > very harsh judgement on a man and trashing him, with almost nothing > in the way of proof. > > My 2 cents. > > Nancy > > ------- > I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. > > --Daniel Boone > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html