correct Carole, -----Original Message----- From: Carole D. Bryant <[log in to unmask]> To: VA-ROOTS <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:38 pm Subject: Re: War between the 'STATS' By WHOSE terminology ? he South was NOT rebelling ! Just exercising their Constitutional rights arole n a message dated 3/28/2011 1:56:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: The official name is War of the Rebellion. Mike Peters ent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- rom: Fern <[log in to unmask]> ender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family istory." <[log in to unmask]> ate: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:33:56 o: <[log in to unmask]> eply-To: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family istory." <[log in to unmask]> ubject: War between the 'STATS' Other historical terms - But whatever they wanted to call it - A CIVIL WAR it was not. ar Between the States he term "War Between the States" was rarely used during the war but ecame prevalent afterward in the South, as part of an effort to perpetuate its interpretation of the war. he Confederate government avoided the term "civil war" and referred in fficial documents to the "War between the Confederate States of America and he United States of America". There are a handful of known references uring the war to "the war between the states". European diplomacy produced a imilar formula for avoiding the phrase "civil war". Queen Victoria's roclamation of British neutrality referred to "hostilities ... between the overnment of the United States of America and certain States styling hemselves the Confederate States of America". After the war, the memoirs of former Confederate officials and veterans Joseph E. Johnston, Raphael Semmes, and especially Alexander Stephens) ommonly used the term "War Between the States". In 1898, the United onfederate eterans formally endorsed the name. In the early twentieth century, the nited Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) led a campaign to promote the term War Between the States" in the media and in public schools. UDC efforts o convince the United States Congress to adopt the term, beginning in 1913, ere unsuccessful. Congress has never adopted an official name for the ar. The name "War Between the States" is inscribed on the USMC War Memorial t Arlington National Cemetery. This name was personally ordered by Lemuel . Shepherd, Jr., the 20th Commandant of the Marine Corps. Franklin Delano Roosevelt referred to the Civil War as "the four-year War etween the States". References to the "War Between the States" appear ccasionally in federal and state court documents. The names "Civil War" and "War Between the States" have been used jointly n some formal contexts. For example, to mark the war's centenary in the 960s, the state of Georgia created the "Georgia Civil War Centennial ommission Commemorating the War Between the States". In 1994, the U.S. Postal ervice issued a series of commemorative stamps entitled "The Civil War / The ar Between the States". War of the Rebellion uring and immediately after the war, U.S. officials and pro-Union writers ften referred to Confederates as "Rebels". The earliest histories ublished in the northern states commonly refer to the Civil War as "the Great ebellion" or "the War of the Rebellion, as do many war monuments. The official war records of the United States refer to this war as "The ar of the Rebellion", and are a chief source of historical documentation for hose interested in Civil War research. They are compiled as a 127-volume ollection published by the U.S. War Department under the title The War of he Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and onfederate Armies, U.S. Government Printing Office, 1880-1901, referred to as he Official Records. War of Secession ar of Secession is occasionally used by people in the South to refer to he Civil War. In most romance languages, the words used to refer literally ranslate to "War of Secession" (e.g. "Guerre de Sécession" in French, Guerra de Secesión" in Spanish). This name is also used in Central and Eastern Europe, i.e. "Sezessionskrieg" is commonly used in Germany, and "Wojna ecesyjna" is exclusively used in Poland (both literally translate as "war of ecession"). War for Southern Independence he "War for Southern Independence" is a name used by many Southerners in eference to the war. While popular on the Confederate side during the ar, the term's popularity fell in the immediate aftermath of the South's ailure to gain independence. The term resurfaced in the late 20th century. his terminology aims to parallel usage of the term "American War for ndependence." A popular poem published in the early stages of hostilities was South Carolina". Its prologue referred to the war as the "Third War for ndependence" (it named the War of 1812 as the second such war.) On November , 860, the Charleston Mercury, a contemporary southern newspaper, stated hat "The tea has been thrown overboard. The Revolution of 1860 has been nitiated." War for the Union ome northerners used "The War for the Union", the title of both a ecember 1861 lecture by the abolitionist leader Wendell Phillips, and a major our-volume history by Allan Nevins published in the middle of the 20th entury. Second American Revolution n the 1920's historian Charles Beard used the term the "Second American evolution" to emphasize the changes brought on by the Northern victory. his is still used by the Sons of Confederate Veterans organization, though ith the intent to demonstrate the depth of the South's cause. War of Northern Aggression he "War of Northern Aggression" has been used by those who maintain that he Union side was the belligerent party in the war. War of Southern Aggression he "War of Southern Aggression," conversely, has been used by those who aintain that the South was the belligerent party. From: Carole D. Bryant ent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:44 AM o: [log in to unmask] ubject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS' ame here in Southern Maryland !! ama said, "It was NOT a 'civil' war!" !! n a message dated 3/28/2011 12:42:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: I am a life long Tennessean and many in my family were in the CSA. In act y great Grandmother told me, when she was in her eighties, that she idn't now "damyankee" was two words until she was grown. Likewise until I was rown I had never heard the phrase"War of the Rebellion". It was always alled The War between the States (having upgraded from the War of orthern ggression). One of my older relatives called it the "Recent npleasantness" p into the early 20th century. My own mother warned me not to call it he ivil War. As you can see feelings ran pretty strong down here! renta Davis -----Original Message----- rom: robert yingst ent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:41 AM o: [log in to unmask] ubject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] War between the 'STATS' It was also called the War of Rebellion before that became politically ncorrect to use. On Mar 27, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Fern wrote: > This is especially interesting for families like mine who had as many soldiers in the CSA as they had on the UNION side. The War Between the Stats. Yes, that's stats, not states. Historians and statisticians are questioning the statistics of Confederate War dead. Official military records compiled in 1866 counted 40,275 North Carolina soldiers who died in uniform. Reportedly, North Carolina had more men die in uniform than any other Confederate state, although not as many as New York in the Union. Now new investigations seem to show the 1866 claims, made when records were spotty, are highly inaccurate. While the new counts are not yet complete, it looks like the true count will be about 31,000 deaths of North Carolina soldiers during the war. Meanwhile, a separate count iis being made of Virginia soldiers and it looks like its final tally will also be about 31,000, far higher than previous reports. "It's going to be close," says Virginia librarian Edwin Ray, the man making the count of Virginia deaths in uniform. The issue tends to be emotional in the affected states which have pride in their soldiers who died for the losing cause. Whatever the final count, many people will have difficulty believing it. New York reported the most deaths of any state: 46,534, according to the 1866 federal report. You can read more in an article by Cameron McWhirter in the Wall Street Journal at http://goo.gl/usb0U If this link does not work - ry > this one: ttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704662604576202823930087328.ht l?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond Another interesting fact is that Cameron McWhirter had family fighting for the CSA and this family member was a 'friend' of my distant cousin General Abe Buford who rode with General Forrest -CSA.. 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