Just curious. Have seen the term "newbie" on the list countless times (often times in less than complimentary terms), and was wondering what mathematical formula is utilized to justify the graduation of a "newbie" to "non-newbie". I have spent the past 3 years working full time on nothing but research and documentation of my ancestry. I don't consider myself a "newbie" by any stretch of the imagination, but I know my 3 years is a drop in the bucket for someone like Paul. Conversely, I know of people who have worked on their lines for 20, 30 or more years, and they have little in the way of documentation to support their research (I know because I have shared a significant amount of my research and documentation with these folks). However, I remember how lost I felt when I started, when all I wanted was some idea of how to get started, and when I was made to feel small and insignifant by "experienced genealogists" who hated to be bothered by "newbies". That said, I would implore all you "old hands" to remember what it was like in the beginning of your journey, limit the use of the term "newbie" and its negative connotation, and make every effort to assist those who follow you (as you once followed others!). Marie McKinney To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html