In a message dated 9/4/2004 11:59:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: In short, the Baptists were hard put to bring other than trouble to = themselves by their efforts to establish and maintain congregations in = other than the more remote regions. The Quakers, as well as the Baptists, were hard put in early Caroline County Virginia, contrary to those school book lessons about coming her for religious freedom. My Quaker ancestors were heavily fined in terms of pounds of tobacco for not attending the Church for the prior weeks, for not being married in the church, for not having their children baptised in the church, etc. My Baptist ancestors here had household furnishings stolen; a minister preaching at his home on a Sabbath was punished by having a riding crop stuck down his throat and one man was put down an outhouse hole for the same offence. John To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html