In a message dated 11/1/2003 6:00:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Whew! Elizabeth...I read it (twice).... why not put this in genealogical
> terms that will specifically grab us; perhaps then we will be able to help
> you?
> Frankly, I didn't see anything in the message that I could relate to...but
> that is probably my own limitations.
>
> Alice in Fluvanna
>
Alice and everyone.
Unless I am terribly wrong (help me out here Elizabeth), I believe that
Elizabeth Roderick is referring in the message below on the project to (at least)
the documents/books in UVA's Special Collections holdings. If you are curious,
you should browse the website that is fully searchable, etc. here:
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/speccol/
To quote the website: "The Special Collections Library administers over 12
million manuscripts, 2.5 million items in the University archives, and 268,600
rare books, as well as approximately 4,000 maps, over 4,000 broadsides; more
than 125,000 photographs and small prints; over 8,000 reels of microfilm and
8,000 microfiche; and substantial holdings of audio recordings, motion picture
films, and ephemera."
I have done research in the collection at the Alderman Library on a limited
basis. I can tell you that in 2000 the Reading Room had a number of family
type books on the shelves (ie, Cocke was one if I remember correctly). I was
looking specifically at a collection of letters and documents relating to a
particular family. I know they have several documents relating to the Baugh
family, but I didn't have a chance to look at them.
I would imagine everyone on the Va-Roots list would say to keep and preserve
everything! <smile>
Best Regards,
Janet (Baugh) Hunter
[Note this is from the Archives]
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:56:39 -0500
Reply-To: Elizabeth Roderick <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:50:36 EST
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Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
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From: Janet Hunter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Resending Re: [VA-ROOTS] (UVA's Special Collections) Elizabeth
Roderick Request
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Hello Everyone,
I am resending the message below which was cutoff first time around.
Janet Hunter
Subj: Re: [VA-ROOTS] (UVA's Special Collections) Elizabeth Roderick's
Request
Date: 11/1/2003 8:30:11 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:janethunter703">janethunter703</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Caddowens">Caddowens</A>, <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
In a message dated 11/1/2003 6:00:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Whew! Elizabeth...I read it (twice).... why not put this in genealogical
> terms that will specifically grab us; perhaps then we will be able to help
> you?
> Frankly, I didn't see anything in the message that I could relate to...but
> that is probably my own limitations.
>
> Alice in Fluvanna
>
Alice and everyone.
Unless I am terribly wrong (help me out here Elizabeth), I believe that
Elizabeth Roderick is referring in the message below on the project to (at least)
the documents/books in UVA's Special Collections holdings. If you are curious,
you should browse the website that is fully searchable, etc. here:
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/speccol/
To quote the website: "The Special Collections Library administers over 12
million manuscripts, 2.5 million items in the University archives, and 268,600
rare books, as well as approximately 4,000 maps, over 4,000 broadsides; more
than 125,000 photographs and small prints; over 8,000 reels of microfilm and
8,000 microfiche; and substantial holdings of audio recordings, motion picture
films, and ephemera."
I have done research in the collection at the Alderman Library on a limited
basis. I can tell you that in 2000 the Reading Room had a number of family
type books on the shelves (ie, Cocke was one if I remember correctly). I was
looking specifically at a collection of letters and documents relating to a
particular family. I know they have several documents relating to the Baugh
family, but I didn't have a chance to look at them.
I would imagine everyone on the Va-Roots list would say to keep and preserve
everything! <smile>
Best Regards,
Janet (Baugh) Hunter
[Note this is from the Archives]
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:56:39 -0500
Reply-To: Elizabeth Roderick <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:57:28 -0500
Reply-To: Hobbs <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: Hobbs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Urgent to all you folks on email-This is no scam, hoax etc.
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This is one of the oldest hoaxes on the internet.
[log in to unmask] wrote:
>Earlier in the week I sent out a warning to all the lists I am on to call
>your Congress people to extend and make permanent the Internet Tax Freedom Act
>which keeps US-you and I from being charged a fee for every email we send or
>receive. The article I sent was from the reliable and honest Wall Street Journal.
>People have said for some time that this was coming about but called a hoax
>by others. We had more or less scoffed at the idea. Read the below which came
>out this morn from a reliable group in DC and shows Congress is so busy
>fillibustering nominees of the President and fighting and behaving like children in
>our Congress they did not even get to this bill. So watch your bills go up
>soon.
>Frankly I do not think the lists provider or controller ever sent this out to
>all of you so you may not even be aware of what was going on. another example
>of liberal media to keep things hidden from the public. I am sending this
>again to various lists in order to get attention but also picking folks I know
>at random on some lists in case the list owner does not forward to all of you.
>
> **********************************
>In not-so-good news, Congress will not get a chance to extend the Internet
>Tax Freedom Act before it expires today(Oct 31), because Republicans Lamar
>Alexander and George Voinovich are holding the legislation in limbo -- fodder for
>some other legislative wink-and-nod shenanigans. The Act is a moratorium on
>Internet access taxation, and double taxation of Web purchases.
>
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>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:06:39 EST
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In a message dated 11/1/2003 8:30:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
<
Unless I am terribly wrong (help me out here Elizabeth), I believe that
Elizabeth Roderick is referring in the message below on the project to (at
least)
the documents/books in UVA's Special Collections holdings.
>
We know to what she was referring, but what did she say? We need an
interpreter.
Julia
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:01:39 EST
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history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask]
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This about the tax on email is absoultely no HOAX< SCAM etc. If you had read
it you would see that the information came directly off of the New York Times
pages. And the one today about the Congress not extending and making
permanent (see below) came from a conservative on line newspaper that I am sure you
must not have heard of called The Federalist. You need to subscribe to it to
keep informed.: READ BELOW AGAIN. This went on in YOUR Congress and liberal
media kept it hidden.
You owe me an apology. I got the bit from the Wall Street Journal and that is
not a scam or hoax paper.
Congress will not get a chance to extend the Internet Tax Freedom Act before
it expires today(Oct 31), because Republicans Lamar Alexander and George
Voinovich are holding the legislation in limbo -- fodder for some other legislative
wink-and-nod shenanigans. The Act is a moratorium on Internet access
taxation, and double taxation of Web purchases.
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:19:54 -0600
Reply-To: nel hatcher <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: nel hatcher <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Urgent to all you folks on email-This is no scam, hoax etc.
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Website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm
List Admin: Hatcher email list
Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Kuhns, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman
HATCHER DNA Project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm
"Genealogy Without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake
This is NOT a big deal! See http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/3102631
From the first 2 paragraphs:
October 31, 2003
Senate Delays Internet Access Tax Vote
By Roy Mark
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R.-TN) said Friday a vote on
extending or making permanent the Internet Access Tax Moratorium will not
happen until at least late next week. The current temporary moratorium
expires Saturday, but the ban has lapsed before for short periods without
states taking any action.
Further precluding any state action is the fact the House of Representatives
has already passed a bill to make the current moratorium permanent. The
original moratorium was established by the Internet Tax Freedom Act (ITFA)
enacted for three years in 1998 and renewed by Congress for another two
years in 2001.
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:06:11 GMT
Reply-To: Anita Wills <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE
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I have to agree with Alice. Can someone put it in laymens terms? How can I personally assist Elizabeth in her project?
Anita Wills
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:13:13 -0800
Reply-To: Renee Dauven <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: Renee Dauven <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Urgent to all you folks on email-This is no scam, hoax etc.
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Hobbs wrote:
> This is one of the oldest hoaxes on the internet.
This time it is not a hoax...
At midnight tonight, the federal law which has prevented states,
counties, cities, etc. from taxing internet activity will sunset unless
Congress renews the law today.
Renee L. Dauven
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:16:49 -0600
Reply-To: R L Bradley <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
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From: R L Bradley <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Urgent to all you folks on email-This is no scam, hoax etc.
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October 31, 2003
Senate Delays Internet Access Tax Vote
By Roy Mark
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R.-TN) said Friday a vote on
extending or making permanent the Internet Access Tax Moratorium will not
happen until at least late next week. The current temporary moratorium
expires Saturday, but the ban has lapsed before for short periods without
states taking any action.
Further precluding any state action is the fact the House of Representatives
has already passed a bill to make the current moratorium permanent. The
original moratorium was established by the Internet Tax Freedom Act (ITFA)
enacted for three years in 1998 and renewed by Congress for another two
years in 2001.
The Internet tax moratorium does not apply to sales taxes on Web
transactions.
The Senate had hoped to vote on the issue before the act expired, but budget
bills and a battle over greenhouse emissions backed up the chamber's agenda.
"We wanted to deal with it this week but members felt there should be
adequate time to debate the issue," Frist said.
The Senate Commerce Committee passed a bill similar to the House legislation
earlier this year, but since the House vote, opponents to a permanent ban
say the House and Senate bills make substantive changes to the current law
that could eventually cost states as much as $9 billion annually in taxes.
The opposition prompted several senators to put a "hold" on the legislation.
The changes to current temporary moratorium include eliminating a
grandfather clause that preserves state and local taxes on Internet access
"imposed and actually enforced prior to October 1, 1998," and an expanded
definition of "Internet access" to prevent states from taxing
telecommunications services "used to provide Internet access."
A number of states, led by the National Governors Association (NGA) are
concerned the new definitions would exempt not only certain
telecommunications services, but would also expand the pre-emption beyond
sales taxes to include some income, property and other business taxes.
Last week, Sens. Charles Grassley (R-IA), John Ensign (R-NV), John Sununu
(R-NH), Gordon Smith (R-OR), and George Allen (R-VA) offered what they
called a compromise to fix the broadened definition terms, but the governors
claim it isn't enough.
In an NGA letter to Senate leadership, Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry and South
Dakota Gov. Mike Rounds, chair and vice chair of the group's economic
development and commerce committee, said, "With little time to negotiate an
appropriate definition of Internet access, we encourage you to support a
simple, temporary extension of current law to allow Congress, industry, and
state and local governments time to fashion a permanent moratorium that is
thoughtful and fair."
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) was unable to estimate the amount
state and local revenue losses that would result from this change because
telecommunications companies are not required to maintain records
categorizing their sales by type of customer, making it impossible to
distinguish sales of high-speed telephone lines to Internet access providers
from sales of similar services to other business customers.
However, the CBO did state, "Depending on how the language altering the
definition of what telecommunications services are taxable is interpreted,
that language also could result in substantial revenue losses for states and
local governments."
----- Original Message -----
From: <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Urgent to all you folks on email-This is no scam, hoax etc.
> This about the tax on email is absoultely no HOAX< SCAM etc. If you had
read
> it you would see that the information came directly off of the New York
Times
> pages. And the one today about the Congress not extending and making
> permanent (see below) came from a conservative on line newspaper that I
am sure you
> must not have heard of called The Federalist. You need to subscribe to it
to
> keep informed.: READ BELOW AGAIN. This went on in YOUR Congress and
liberal
> media kept it hidden.
> You owe me an apology. I got the bit from the Wall Street Journal and that
is
> not a scam or hoax paper.
>
> Congress will not get a chance to extend the Internet Tax Freedom Act
before
> it expires today(Oct 31), because Republicans Lamar Alexander and George
> Voinovich are holding the legislation in limbo -- fodder for some other
legislative
> wink-and-nod shenanigans. The Act is a moratorium on Internet access
> taxation, and double taxation of Web purchases.
>
> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions
at
> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html
>
>
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:38:00 -0500
Reply-To: Tim Kemp WB4BAH <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: Tim Kemp WB4BAH <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Urgent to all you folks on email-This is no scam, hoax etc.
Comments: To: Renee Dauven <[log in to unmask]>
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Renee Dauven wrote:
> Hobbs wrote:
>
>> This is one of the oldest hoaxes on the internet.
>
>
> This time it is not a hoax...
> At midnight tonight, the federal law which has prevented states,
> counties, cities, etc. from taxing internet activity will sunset unless
> Congress renews the law today.
The law expiring is true. The fact that it has any connection at all to
email is not.
The law expiring had nothing whatsoever to do with email. The expiring
law was passed due to states and localities taxing the connection to
your ISP, just as they tax satelitte TV service and just as they and the
federal government tax telephone service. No state or locality has ever
taxed or attempted to tax emails. To do so would be technologically
impossible. Even if they did get the literally thousands of ISP's
nationwide to go along with it and count emails for taxing purposes they
would still have the problem that tens of thousands of us, and nearly
every company and organization of any size at all, have their own email
servers. How could they count those emails?
Now, could everyone stop being so gullible and beleiving everything they
read which was taken out of context and get back to VA genealogy?
--
Tim Kemp Amateur Radio Station WB4BAH
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:52:23 -0600
Reply-To: koplend <[log in to unmask]>
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From: koplend <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Culpeper County Event
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Culpeper Genealogical Society is having a gravestone recording led by member
Deb Koplen on Saturday, November 29 (time to be determined) at the Oakland
Baptist Church cemetery in Richardsville, VA. If you would like to
participate, dress appropriately for the weather. Bring a clipboard and a
pen or pencil and a happy spirit. Forms will be provided on which to record
the stones. We will meet at the parking lot at Southgate in front of where
the old Safeway was. Rain date will be announced later. Let Donna Boyd
([log in to unmask]; 540-825-5466) or Julie Bushong at the library
(825-8691) know if you plan to participate. The more the merrier! See you
there!
"Do not go where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and
leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Deb Koplen
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:17:01 -0500
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: Priestley Toulmin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: VA-ROOTS Digest - 31 Oct 2003 to 1 Nov 2003 (#2003-205)
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At 12:00 AM 11/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
{Headers deleted for economy..}
From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: VA-ROOTS Digest - 31 Oct 2003 to 1 Nov 2003 (#2003-205)
>To: Recipients of VA-ROOTS digests <[log in to unmask]>
>Precedence: list
>
>There are 13 messages totalling 586 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
> 1. Request from Elizabeth Roderick
> 2. Urgent to all you folks on email-This is no scam, hoax etc. (7)
> 3. (UVA's Special Collections) Elizabeth Roderick's Request (2)
> 4. Resending Re: [VA-ROOTS] (UVA's Special Collections) Elizabeth Roderick
> Request
> 5. REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE
> 6. Culpeper County Event
{.......}
BUT, there were only three messages. Perhaps the sysop could resend?
Thanks,
P. Toulmin
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:41:11 -0600
Reply-To: Sharon Clark <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: Sharon Clark <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: William and Daniel FERGUSON - 1800 Tax - St. Anne
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Hello,
I have found a reference to the 1800 Tax list for Albemarle Co., VA that
shows William and Daniel Ferguson in Albemarle Co. with St. Anne written
after it. Was there a St. Anne's district or parish in Albemarle Co. in
1800?
Daniel is listed with 1 white male, 2 horses and 1 slave over 16.
William is listed with 1 white male and 1 horse in the James Lewis District.
Does anyone know where St. Anne's and the James Lewis District were in
1800? Were they by any chance in the southern part of Albemarle Co.?
William Ferguson married Catherine GILMORE, daughter of Frances EUBANK
and Joseph GILMORE, and the Gilmores lived on the South Fork of the
Hardware River.
If anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you.
Best wishes,
Sharon Clark
Fort Worth, TX
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:29:06 -0500
Reply-To: ELIZABETH RODERICK <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family
history." <[log in to unmask]>
From: ELIZABETH RODERICK <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: (UVA's Special Collections) Elizabeth Roderick's Request
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Hi everyone.
I'm sorry if the message I sent out requesting assistance
was confusing - it is being sent to several listservs.
Basically what I am trying to find out is this:
What sort of "research trends" do you see in terms of family
history research?
Do you seen any changes in how research collections are being
used? Are they being used in different ways than they might
have been 10 years ago?
Are there emerging issues in family history research that I
need to know about?
Are there types of collections that might be overlooked as
gold mines for your research? For example, obvious sources
of information will give facts regarding vital statistics
information (when was someone born, when did they marry,
when did they die) - are there other sources that provide
you with information that you find useful (such as
diaries, letters, business ledgers, etc.)
Let me know if this isn't clear - this is basically the gist
of what I need help with.
Thanks!
Elizabeth
>
> In a message dated 11/1/2003 8:30:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> <
> Unless I am terribly wrong (help me out here Elizabeth), I believe that
> Elizabeth Roderick is referring in the message below on the project to (at
> least)
> the documents/books in UVA's Special Collections holdings.
> >
>
> We know to what she was referring, but what did she say? We need an
> interpreter.
>
> Julia
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:07:49 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Pilgrim intellectuals--
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In todays paper, 2 NOV 2003, Knight Ridder News Service offered the article:
"Cape Cod Delights in Off Season"--by Ellen Creager--dateline Brewster, Mass.
Ms. Creager writes in one glaring paragraph:
"The Cape, 77 miles south of Boston, is where the Pilgrims dallied in 1620
before moving on to Plymouth Rock. Its where prickly descendants of Mayflower
folk still live, where sea captains and sailors drifted and settled, where
cranberries, Kennedys and 200 years of vacationers have created a mystique more
opaque than the morning fog."
Please! what means "prickly?"
Ed Sherman of William Brewster, Francis Cooke and Richard Warren
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Johnson (ed. of 1802)gives as one definition of "prick" as a person
who dresses for show. He also cites the numerous terms now used and
arising from "prickly" as "sharp" or "pointed".
I would guess, and it is only that, that the reference is to those
descendants of Pilgrims who have something of a reputation as being
sharp of tongue or as those who dress the role of the early Pilgrims.
Walker (1823) also gives "remorse of conscience" as one definition. I
would be interested in other definitions that you find. Thanks.
Paul
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Subject: Pilgrim intellectuals--
In todays paper, 2 NOV 2003, Knight Ridder News Service offered the
article:
"Cape Cod Delights in Off Season"--by Ellen Creager--dateline
Brewster, Mass.
Ms. Creager writes in one glaring paragraph:
"The Cape, 77 miles south of Boston, is where the Pilgrims dallied in
1620
before moving on to Plymouth Rock. Its where prickly descendants of
Mayflower
folk still live, where sea captains and sailors drifted and settled,
where
cranberries, Kennedys and 200 years of vacationers have created a
mystique more
opaque than the morning fog."
Please! what means "prickly?"
Ed Sherman of William Brewster, Francis Cooke and Richard Warren
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difficult, hard to get along with.
Edith
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a : TROUBLESOME, VEXATIOUS <prickly issues> b : easily irritated <had a=20
prickly disposition
Main Entry: prick=B7ly
Pronunciation: 'pri-k(&-)lE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): prick=B7li=B7er; -est=20
Date: 1578
1 : full of or covered with prickles; especially : distinguished from relate=
d=20
kinds by the presence of prickles=20
2 : marked by prickling : STINGING <a prickly sensation>=20
3 a : TROUBLESOME, VEXATIOUS <prickly issues> b : easily irritated <had a=20
prickly disposition>=20
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To me "prickly" connotes that they would not be easily pushed aside, or
moved. Surely we have all known someone like that? Someone who won't
let you placate them and only gets more "prickly" the nicer you try to
be? Like a burr in a dog's coat. Very hard to remove!
Marilyn
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>a : TROUBLESOME, VEXATIOUS <prickly issues> b : easily irritated <had a
>prickly disposition
>
>Main Entry: prick·ly
>Pronunciation: 'pri-k(&-)lE
>Function: adjective
>Inflected Form(s): prick·li·er; -est
>Date: 1578
>1 : full of or covered with prickles; especially : distinguished from related
>kinds by the presence of prickles
>2 : marked by prickling : STINGING <a prickly sensation>
>3 a : TROUBLESOME, VEXATIOUS <prickly issues> b : easily irritated <had a
>prickly disposition>
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Elizabeth,
In my opinion, there are two streams flowing in genealogy.... serious
researchers who are becomming ever more careful about documenting their facts and
casual researchers who are content to download what they find on the internet
without casting a critical eye over the content. The internet is a wonderful and
powerful tool, and I wouldn't be without it, but I think we need to continue
to educate the casual searcher by continually emphasizing the documentation of
sources. Ideally a source would come with the citation attached, much as
census pages from Heritage Quest appear when downloaded.
Probably every researcher will say in some form or another that indexes are
the most important tool. More and more good indexes are being made available in
either print or electronic format and that is wonderful. Two types of indexes
I particularly appreciate are cemetery indexes and every-name newspaper
indexes. I find newspapers to be a wonderful source of personal information, not
just obituaries but the social news and personal mentions.
Hope this is responsive to what you wanted to learn, or at least it may spark
comment.
Connie Moretti in California
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Hello,
Does anyone know if any company (or individual) has taken the old
microfilmed tax lists and put them on CDs? If so, I'd love to know
where to find them.
I am interested in Albemarle Co., VA from about 1793 through 1810. I
don't need the 1787 Census or tax list for Albemarle, as I already have
what I need from it.
My 4th g-grandparents, William FERGUSON and Catherine "Caty" GILMORE,
married 28 Oct 1793 in Albemarle Co., and they left there around 1807
and moved to Sumner Co., TN, according to the obituary of one of their
children. He died before the 1810 census was taken, so I've not been
able to find him in a census. I'd love to find the tax information on
him and someone I feel is a close relative to him, Daniel Ferguson.
If anyone knows if these tax lists have been digitalized, please let me
know. I've found several other counties posted, but Albemarle isn't there.
Thank you, and have a good day.
Best wishes,
Sharon Clark
Fort Worth, TX
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I would like to know of a Tithe list for Cumberland County from its =
beginning 1749 forward. I am looking for the names of the tithes of =
Daniel Carter. In 1756 Daniel was overseer for John Pleasants.
Thanks for your help! June C. Cottrell
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I'm forwarding this from another list because it is an interesting question.
Lee Anne
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> > I have a dumb question I hope you will take the time to answer. If a
> distant ancestor were only like 1/16 Indian, would that reduce by each
> generation until there were no markers, or are the original genetic
> markers there forever?
>
> My first thought was that this thread should be labeled "off topic," but
if you think about it genetics is the very foundation of genealogy. It's
not a dumb question at all. It sounds like a logical conclusion at first
glance, but the different types of markers (in the case of American Indian
testing, mtDNA and Y-chromosome) don't get "reduced" in each generation.
I'm certainly no authority, but this is the way I understand it.
>
> Y-marker testing is done for the markers on the Y chromosome (and
obviously only on males). This chart shows four generations of males. As
you can see each male child gets all the information on his Y chromosome
from his father who got all the information from his father and so on....
It doesn't get "diluted" from one generation to the next just like the ABO
blood types don't dilute. (Determining blood types of your ancestors is
kind of interesting, too.) Humans have 22 other pairs of chromosomes with
all kinds of information that does get diluted.
>
> XX=female, XY=male
>
> 1 XY + XX
> . | |
> . -------
> . |
> 2 XY + XX
> . | |
> . -------
> . |
> 3 XY + XX
> . | |
> . -------
> . |
> 4 XY
>
> MtDNA testing is done on a male or female at the end of a female-to-female
line. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is a different kind of DNA from that in the
nuclei of cells. It's in the mitochondria, those little thingies that
supply energy to the cell. You have the same "set" of mtDNA as your mother,
your maternal grandmother, your maternal grandmother's mother, and so on....
>
> This chart shows four generations of females. Though a female gets an X
chromosome from each parent, and a male gets an X chromosome from his mother
and a Y chromosome from his father, each gets ALL his or her mtDNA from the
mother. The male doesn't pass along any mtDNA, represented by the lower
case "m", to his children. Rather his children get all their mtDNA from
their mother who got it from her mother, etc. If you follow the upper case
"M" in each generation and think of that as a "package" containing the mtDNA
(oversimplified but illustrates the point), you can see it doesn't get
diluted as it's passed to each generation.
>
> 1 MXX + mXY
> . | |
> . -------
> . |
> 2 MXX + mXY
> . | |
> . -------
> . |
> 3 MXX + mXY
> . | |
> . -------
> . |
> 4 MXX
>
> This is another site that has a lot of information and a much better chart
than I can draw here. http://www.familytreedna.com/tcnam.html Of my two
charts above, the first one corresponds to the blue line and the second one
corresponds to the red line in their complete chart.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vacumber/ this is part of vagenweb, it has
the 1768 tithes and 1784 heads of families list for Cumberland Co.
Clay Gullatt
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I'm not sure if I understand either the argument below or in the cited
Native American Inheritance Chart , however:
(1) Would this not also be the case --- if it is the case --- not just in
the Native American example given, but for any genetic inheritance.
According to this argument, as I understand it, after a certain number of
generations one would no longer carry any genetic inheritance ("markers")
from earlier generations. If this were the case, and it we accept the idea
that genealogy = DNA, then it would become irrelevant to search one's
ancestors beyond some critical number of generations. Not that the
intuitive is necessarily correct, this does not seem to make sense.
(2) I am --- like apparently half of Virginia --- a distant descendant of
Pocahontas, among many others. Far less than 1/16th. To me this is not only
a matter of DNA, but also history and culture. If this were not the case,
genealogy would be of little interest to me, and I suspect many others. For
me, genealogy is many things, including a way of understanding myself, my
family and my society.
St. George Tucker Ranson
At 11:42 AM 11/4/2003, Lee Anne Center wrote:
>I'm forwarding this from another list because it is an interesting question.
>
>Lee Anne
>
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>From: "Dale Marr" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:54 PM
>Subject: [ARIZARD-L] Genetic Testing
>
>
> > > I have a dumb question I hope you will take the time to answer. If a
> > distant ancestor were only like 1/16 Indian, would that reduce by each
> > generation until there were no markers, or are the original genetic
> > markers there forever?
> >
> > My first thought was that this thread should be labeled "off topic," but
>if you think about it genetics is the very foundation of genealogy. It's
>not a dumb question at all. It sounds like a logical conclusion at first
>glance, but the different types of markers (in the case of American Indian
>testing, mtDNA and Y-chromosome) don't get "reduced" in each generation.
>I'm certainly no authority, but this is the way I understand it.
> >
> > Y-marker testing is done for the markers on the Y chromosome (and
>obviously only on males). This chart shows four generations of males. As
>you can see each male child gets all the information on his Y chromosome
>from his father who got all the information from his father and so on....
>It doesn't get "diluted" from one generation to the next just like the ABO
>blood types don't dilute. (Determining blood types of your ancestors is
>kind of interesting, too.) Humans have 22 other pairs of chromosomes with
>all kinds of information that does get diluted.
> >
> > XX=female, XY=male
> >
> > 1 XY + XX
> > . | |
> > . -------
> > . |
> > 2 XY + XX
> > . | |
> > . -------
> > . |
> > 3 XY + XX
> > . | |
> > . -------
> > . |
> > 4 XY
> >
> > MtDNA testing is done on a male or female at the end of a female-to-female
>line. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is a different kind of DNA from that in the
>nuclei of cells. It's in the mitochondria, those little thingies that
>supply energy to the cell. You have the same "set" of mtDNA as your mother,
>your maternal grandmother, your maternal grandmother's mother, and so on....
> >
> > This chart shows four generations of females. Though a female gets an X
>chromosome from each parent, and a male gets an X chromosome from his mother
>and a Y chromosome from his father, each gets ALL his or her mtDNA from the
>mother. The male doesn't pass along any mtDNA, represented by the lower
>case "m", to his children. Rather his children get all their mtDNA from
>their mother who got it from her mother, etc. If you follow the upper case
>"M" in each generation and think of that as a "package" containing the mtDNA
>(oversimplified but illustrates the point), you can see it doesn't get
>diluted as it's passed to each generation.
> >
> > 1 MXX + mXY
> > . | |
> > . -------
> > . |
> > 2 MXX + mXY
> > . | |
> > . -------
> > . |
> > 3 MXX + mXY
> > . | |
> > . -------
> > . |
> > 4 MXX
> >
> > This is another site that has a lot of information and a much better chart
>than I can draw here. http://www.familytreedna.com/tcnam.html Of my two
>charts above, the first one corresponds to the blue line and the second one
>corresponds to the red line in their complete chart.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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In a message dated 11/4/2003 10:37:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
>
(1) Would this not also be the case --- if it is the case --- not just in
the Native American example given, but for any genetic inheritance.
According to this argument, as I understand it, after a certain number of
generations one would no longer carry any genetic inheritance ("markers")
from earlier generations. If this were the case, and it we accept the idea
that genealogy = DNA, then it would become irrelevant to search one's
ancestors beyond some critical number of generations. Not that the
intuitive is necessarily correct, this does not seem to make sense.
<
I can't remember the first message about this, but I can offer the little
that I know. The genes that are passed down to us from our parents are selected
at random. Each parent has two of each gene. One could be for blue eyes and
the other for brown, and each trait that we have including our skin color,
hair color, looks, personality, etc. They have two of each but can only pass one
and that is a random selection. So if you have an Indian in your past, you
could have that gene passed each time, or it could have been filtered out long
ago. If you don't look like an Indian, the chances are you don't have the
genes of one. That fact doesn't change who our ancestors were.
On the other hand, the DNA that is being used for the DNA genealogy Projects
never changes, but remains the same from father to son forever. This is why
it is so useful in determining which family we belong to. Every male with the
same name in the same direct line will have the same DNA markers. The same
goes for the mtDNA which is passed from mother to daughter. It is possible to
tell from your numbers, who your ancestors where thousands of years ago. Not
their names, because, females change their name every generation through
marriage, but where they were from.
Julia French Wood
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On the subject of DNA testing could two people who were descended from the
same family five or six generations back prove their ancestry to those
ancesters with DNA testing on the living distant cousins?
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In a message dated 11/4/2003 2:14:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
<
On the subject of DNA testing could two people who were descended from the
same family five or six generations back prove their ancestry to those
ancesters with DNA testing on the living distant cousins?
>
Yes, that is the premise that we are using in our DNA Projects. The
participants must be direct male descendants of the ancestor in question and must
carry the surname. In other words the line cannot be broken by a female.
Take a look at all the surname DNA projects that are being conducted. Go to
the results and see all the matches that have been made.
http://www.duerinck.com/surname.html
Julia French Wood
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I do not have an answer, but some years ago a road crew dug up some unknown graves in Va., and were later determined to be my people. Exactly how they came to the conclusion they were Lock(e)'s is unknown to me. They were removed and placed in a cemetery. I now wonder if DNA could prove they are my direct kin even though we are talking like 9 generations ago? Like someone sort of said, the new genes brought in for each generation has likely weeded out any gene combo that could DNA link me to my family 9 generations ago, I would think anyway? I know this isn't the right forum to pose this question, but maybe we have among us a DNA person who could answer that. :)
It would be very interesting to me and my family if we could DNA prove the family that was accidently dug up is in fact my kin.
Thanks
Donald Locke
> In a message dated 11/4/2003 10:37:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> (1) Would this not also be the case --- if it is the case --- not just in
> the Native American example given, but for any genetic inheritance.
> According to this argument, as I understand it, after a certain number of
> generations one would no longer carry any genetic inheritance ("markers")
> from earlier generations. If this were the case, and it we accept the idea
> that genealogy = DNA, then it would become irrelevant to search one's
> ancestors beyond some critical number of generations. Not that the
> intuitive is necessarily correct, this does not seem to make sense.
> <
>
> I can't remember the first message about this, but I can offer the little
> that I know. The genes that are passed down to us from our parents are selected
> at random. Each parent has two of each gene. One could be for blue eyes and
> the other for brown, and each trait that we have including our skin color,
> hair color, looks, personality, etc. They have two of each but can only pass
> one
> and that is a random selection. So if you have an Indian in your past, you
> could have that gene passed each time, or it could have been filtered out long
> ago. If you don't look like an Indian, the chances are you don't have the
> genes of one. That fact doesn't change who our ancestors were.
>
> On the other hand, the DNA that is being used for the DNA genealogy Projects
> never changes, but remains the same from father to son forever. This is why
> it is so useful in determining which family we belong to. Every male with the
> same name in the same direct line will have the same DNA markers. The same
> goes for the mtDNA which is passed from mother to daughter. It is possible to
> tell from your numbers, who your ancestors where thousands of years ago. Not
> their names, because, females change their name every generation through
> marriage, but where they were from.
>
> Julia French Wood
>
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The next program in the Virginia Heritage Resource Center's Mining the
Treasure House lecture series will take place at noon on Wednesday, 12
November, 2003, in the conference rooms adjacent to the lobby at the
Library of Virginia at 800 East Broad Street in downtown Richmond.
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The speaker will be Roger Christman, State Records Archivist at the
Library of Virginia. The title of his talk is "Saving Private Aaron
through Zyvith: Virginia's World War II Separation Notices." The Library
of Virginia holds some quarter million separation notices of service men
and women who indicated their intention to seek employment in Virginia.
Due to a 1973 fire in St. Louis, MO, these are in many cases the only
surviving copies of these records. Roger has spent several years
arranging this collection. Individual notices will be open at no charge
to surviving veterans or their next of kin beginning November 12, upon
submission of a signed application form. These forms will be available
on the Library's web page as of that date.
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information on this and other programs and services of the Library of
Virginia please visit the Library's web site at http://lva.lib.va.us or
call 804-692-3592.
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:51:20 -0500
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Subject: DNA testing
My gg grandfather is James B. Akers. What I am trying to find out is if
this James B. Akers is the same James B. Akers as the one listed as son of
John B. Akers and Nancy Jefferies. This line has been researched
extensively and I think this is my line of descendion, but I haven't been
able to prove it. It would be easy to just tack on to someone else's
research, but I want to make sure. I have a male cousin who is an Akers.
If I could find a male descendent of one of John and Nancy's other sons we
could possibly do a DNA test. Does anyone know how much it costs to have
this done?
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:17:50 -0800
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Hello Everyone:
I have just added a few hundred Colonial Ancestors to the 1600s Ancestor
Data Base with
more to come.
The total is now over 26,500 and most all are proven Ancestors of
descendants living today.
I have also included several National Societies who have proven many
of these Ancestors. Also at this time a few new respected Reference
works that contain thousands of sources including some of the early
colonists who have Royal Blood lines.
The 1600s Ancestor Data Base should be a big help for those of you who are
trying to
prove your early lines.
You will find the 1600s Ancestor Data Base at:
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you understand the codes that I have used and how to best use them.
Enjoy
Ryan Jackson
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America's First Families
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FYI......there's info on tests/testing, etc. @ www.familytreeDNA.com
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Subject: Re: Benton Co. Minn Courthouse
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A new courthouse experience has been added to the site. See
http://www.bcpl.net/~dmg/courthouse.htm
Dave Goodman
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Baltimore PC Users Group
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:54:07 -0600
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Hello,
I wish everyone would post what information they have on early VA
Fergusons. That might give those of us who don't have a clue some
information to get started on.
I'm trying to figure out who the Fergusons were in early Albemarle Co.,
VA. There were two Daniels. Can someone help me figure out which is which?
I have an inventory, Will Book 2, Page 387, from Albemarle County, VA,
for the Estate of Daniel FARGUSON, and it starts off, "We the
subscribers being first sworn agreeable to an order of Albemarle Court
hath appraised the Estate of Daniel Farguson, deceased, which was shewn
to us November 24, 1779 as followeth."
The last part states, "Albemarle April Court 1780. This Inventory and
appraisement was returned to court and ordered to be recorded."
Test: Hudson Martin, D. Clerk"
I don't know who the appraisers were as the page ends there. The second
page has nothing to do with the first page, which was page 387. The
second page starts with John Ballard's will.
I have always wondered who this Daniel FErguson was. I think my William
Ferguson was related to a Daniel Ferguson who married Elizabeth Thomas
1799 in Albemarle Co.
The other Daniel Ferguson married Nancy Eastin. I don't know if he is
the same Daniel who married Elizabeth Thomas.
If anyone has any information on these Albemarle Fergusons, I'd
appreciate it so very much if you would share this knowledge.
I hope all of you have a wonderful day.
Best wishes,
Sharon Clark
Fort Worth, TX
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In 1792 Israel Cole signed his will with LS after his name. Does anyone =
know what LS means?
The Ls and Ss look almost the same in this will.
Thanks,
Lee Anne
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:59:00 -0500
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LS stands for Legal Seal
Ella
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:17:49 -0600
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LS =3D location of the seal
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In 1792 Israel Cole signed his will with LS after his name. Does =
anyone know what LS means?
The Ls and Ss look almost the same in this will.
Thanks,
Lee Anne
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:21:46 -0600
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Should have said "LS" is an abbreviation of "Locus Sigilli", the Latin =
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document being examined is a copy, and not an original. Paul=20
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LS stands for Legal Seal
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:36:25 -0500
Reply-To: Lee Anne Center <[log in to unmask]>
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Thank you very much.
Does that mean the courthouse no longer has the original, that it doesn't
exist anymore, or that it is elsewhere, or?
Lee Anne
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:07:26 -0600
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At 03:36 PM 11/9/03, Lee Anne Center wrote:
>Thank you very much.
>
>Does that mean the courthouse no longer has the original, that it doesn't
>exist anymore, or that it is elsewhere, or?
I have seen "LS" used on original documents in lieu of an actual seal.
Wm. Flake Joiner
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:45:17 -0600
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Mr. Joiner, you may be speaking of documents such as very old deeds
and mortgages bearing "LS". Before copy machines, if there were
several people (usually intestate heirs), some of whom resided at some
distance from the land and all of whom were legally required to join
in the deed, someone would cause to be made to have made more than one
facsimile. Those bore copied signatures and LS where seals would have
been.
It would have been highly improper to have created more than a single
deed, etc., with true signatures and seals, since that would create a
record that the land was conveyed more than once to different people
by the same person. Those copies, even though in someone's original
handwriting and made with such as quill pens, still were mere copies
and conveyed or accomplished nothing legally, some of which have
survived. Indeed I have one in my collection. (Are you of the
Surry/IofW Joiners, please?) Paul
*** ....
I have seen "LS" used on original documents in lieu of an actual seal.
Wm. Flake Joiner
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:16:35 -0800
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I've begun a transcription of the 13 volumes of
William Waller Hening's
Statutes at Large
subtitled
Being a Collection of All the Laws of Virginia, from the First Session of the
Legislature, in the year 1619
I'm only at page 209 of the 600 pages of Vol 1,
but it's posted at
http://www.vagenweb.org/hening
I'll keep you infomed as (iff) I finish each volume ...
Regards,
Freddie S.
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These digital images are now on CD-ROM for about $49.00. I purchased them at
Willow Bend Books last week. A full set of the books cost $400.00.
Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification
of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:28:26 -0500
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Va-Hist and Va-Roots subscribers:
I am pleased to post the following announcement about records recently
processed and now made available at the Library of Virginia.
Brent Tarter
The Library of Virginia
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Visit the Library of Virginia's web site at http://www.lva.lib.va.us
The Library of Virginia is pleased to announce the availability of the
Virginia Fire and Police Museum Photographs, ca. 1875-ca. 1985 (LVA acc.
37327a) which document more than a century of fire fighting in Richmond.
Photographs include images of fire companies, fire fighters, fires, and
fire fighting, training, equipment, vehicles, ruins, and street scenes.
Of particular interest are photographs of Richmond's African American
fire fighters. There are also clippings about fires in and around
Richmond.=20
The Library is also pleased to announce the availability of the Virginia
Fire and Police Museum Collection, 1879-1985 (LVA acc. 37327), on
microfilm. The collection consists of records of the Richmond, Virginia
Fire Department, including log books, supply books, insurance brochures,
reports on personnel and equipment, account books, requisitions,
inventories, correspondence, house fund books, directories, lists of
personnel, personnel histories, leave log books, Fireman's Mutual Aid
Society records, burial funds, Fort Lee Fire Department time and
attendance books, Board of Fire Commissioners meeting minutes, records
of fires in Richmond, visitors register to the Virginia Fire and Police
Museum, and miscellaneous loose papers. Log books contain company
rosters, duties, watches, daily and monthly reports, alarms, equipment
checks, leaves, absences, addresses and telephone numbers, supplies,
accounts, weather observations, and other information. Loose papers
consist of advertisements, calendars, department orders, receipts,
vehicle reports, and other miscellaneous items.=20
The collection is on long-term deposit from the Virginia Fire and Police
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:24:34 -0500
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I hesitate to mention this to the list, but the thirteen volumes of Hening's
Statutes at large are already on a single CD in PDF format and available
from most genealogical retailers. Although not a searchable database the
price is substantually less than the $371.00 I once paid for the set.
C.
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
CEO & President
Heritage Books, Inc.
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Subject: Hening's Statutes at Large
> I've begun a transcription of the 13 volumes of
> William Waller Hening's
> Statutes at Large
>
> subtitled
> Being a Collection of All the Laws of Virginia, from the First Session of
the
> Legislature, in the year 1619
>
> I'm only at page 209 of the 600 pages of Vol 1,
>
> but it's posted at
> http://www.vagenweb.org/hening
>
>
> I'll keep you infomed as (iff) I finish each volume ...
>
> Regards,
> Freddie S.
>
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>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:48:02 -0600
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Subject: Culpeper County Event! Help Needed
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If you are anywhere near Culpeper during Thanksgiving week (or would even
consider taking a trip), please note the following
CGS is having a gravestone recording led by member Deb Koplen on Saturday,
November 29 at the Oakland Baptist Church cemetery in Richardsville, VA. If
you would like to participate, dress appropriately for the weather. Bring a
clipboard and a pen or pencil and a happy spirit. Forms will be provided on
which to record the stones.
Please meet at 10:00 AM, in the parking lot at Southgate in front of where
the old Safeway was OR at the Oakland Baptist Church in Richardsville.
Contact Donna Boyd ([log in to unmask]; 540-825-5466) or Julie Bushong at the
library (825-8691) or Deb Koplen ([log in to unmask]) for any further
information.
Your help is needed! Hope to see you there!
"Do not go where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and
leave a trail." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Deb Koplen
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I AM RESEARCHING the WISE family in Va. The earliest I have is James Daniel Wise born abt 1826 or 27.Some say Tn some say Va. He married Nancy Jane Jordan from Hawkins Co Tn. I have all their children and have found them from 1860 on.In 1880 James was in another household other than his family.Have been told he went to prision for denying his family and not supporting them.I have found no proof of this yet.Anyone researching this family or have info to help me please email me.Thank you,
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:37:32 -0800
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Subject: Fw: Eunice Cole (b. Eastham 27 Apr. 1742) married in NY in 1760
Eleazer Cole (b. Harwich 9 Jul 1734)
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If you have Cole ancestors, do you know what book and page number I =
might find the following items in:
1) the 1760 NY marriage records for Eunice Cole (b. Eastham 27 Apr. =
1742) and Eleazer Cole (b. Harwich 9 Jul 1734)?=20
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:05:07 -0600
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From: Sharon Clark <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: William Ferguson - Albemarle Co., VA Will Book No. 5 - 1780
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Hello,
In the Index to Miscellaneous Papers in Albemarle Co., VA I found the
following:
1780 FERGUSON William Will etc Will Book 5, pages 110 and 133
It shows this William had a will.
Does anyone know who this William is?
He couldn't be the William Ferguson who married Pheeby Clark, because
they didn't marry until around 1800.
If anyone knows who this William Ferguson is, please let me know.
Thanks, and have a good evening.
Best wishes,
Sharon Clark
Fort Worth, TX
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:08:33 EST
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Subject: Adventures of Purse and Person. /Col. Francis West & Susannah
LIttlepage
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Does anyone know where I can purchase the book "Adventures of Purse and
Person"? Or obtain it on a site?
It mentions that Col Francis West married Susannah Littlepage and there is
substantial proof to back this up. Also in the LIttlepage History it states he
married Susannah daughter of Richard Littlepage of King William and New Kent
Co., Va.
I have never found any proof that any of Francis West's children belonged to
Susanah COLE and everyone lists his children as belonging to his Third Wife
JANE COLE. There is absolutely no way ANY of these children could belong to JANE
COLE. She did not marry Francis West until after her second husband died.
She married Francis West in 1761.
I have had to "assume" ,at least for now, that my Ancestor RICHARD WEST was
the son of FRANCIS AND SUSANNAH LITTLEPAGE WEST. Especially as her father's
name was Richard. All the facts I have leads me to have to "assume" this. Trying
to find any proof.
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Marlene West Perry
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:55:36 -0500
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The book is out of print. You should be able to find a used copy on the
internet. Try Alibris.com, Abebooks.com, or Bookfinders.com.
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:16:32 EST
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Whoever was looking for the above book, you might try The Dietz Press in
Richmond, VA They published the 3rd edition in about 1987. Until I looked I
thought that came out in the 90s,Tells you how fast time flies when you are
having fun. I have the last 2 editions and use all the time. They vary slightly
after Mrs Jester abd Mrs. Hiden died and John Fred Dorman did this last edition.
So try the Dietz Press and see if they can tell where it might be obtained.
S Browder
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:17:21 -0500
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Stand by, as Fred Dorman is updating the book to bring it forward and up to
about 1800 or so. Last time I spoke with him he was readying it for
publication in Spring 2004. So, sound like there might be additional help
in the future.
W.
At 09:16 AM 11/17/2003 -0500, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>Whoever was looking for the above book, you might try The Dietz Press in
>Richmond, VA They published the 3rd edition in about 1987. Until I looked I
>thought that came out in the 90s,Tells you how fast time flies when you are
>having fun. I have the last 2 editions and use all the time. They vary
>slightly
>after Mrs Jester abd Mrs. Hiden died and John Fred Dorman did this last
>edition.
>So try the Dietz Press and see if they can tell where it might be obtained.
>S Browder
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:42:54 -0600
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Dear Donald,
OOPS! You may want to amend that. I have used alibris and also
bookfinder.com
The latter is a great site, BUT WITHOUT THE "s." Bookfinders.com is a porn
site!!!
J. Watkins
At 08:55 AM 11/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The book is out of print. You should be able to find a used copy on the
>internet. Try Alibris.com, Abebooks.com, or Bookfinders.com.
>
>_______________________
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>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:46:27 -0500
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Several years ago I thought searching for land grants on the
digital site of the LoV was pretty easy. I little time
consuming but easy.
Now,I give up on the new system. I can't even find the ones
that I copied 2 years ago. I've hit on every icon on the
site and nothing....!
Frustrated and wondering why the Library didn't leave well
enough alone.
Mitzie Preston
Madaline H. Preston
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:28:48 -0500
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I have been informed that the url I gave in a previous post for
Bookfinders.com takes one to an inappropriate site for a genealogical
discussion list. The correct url is Bookfinder.com. The devil is in the
details. My apologies.
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:36:31 -0500
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If anyone lives near Newport News , Va. all of Mrs. Hiden's genealogical
books and records
are housed in the Newport News Public Library off of Main Street in Hilton
Village.
Paul Harvey
Carrollton, Va.
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> Whoever was looking for the above book, you might try The Dietz Press in
> Richmond, VA They published the 3rd edition in about 1987. Until I
looked I
> thought that came out in the 90s,Tells you how fast time flies when you
are
> having fun. I have the last 2 editions and use all the time. They vary
slightly
> after Mrs Jester abd Mrs. Hiden died and John Fred Dorman did this last
edition.
> So try the Dietz Press and see if they can tell where it might be
obtained.
> S Browder
>
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at
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:20:01 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Thanks to All who responded to Adventures of Purse and Person.
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You are a great bunch of people and I thank all of you for responding. I
think I have the place to obtain it now. Now wondering if I should wait till the
new one is out that is to be updated through 1800. I wasn't aware of that
either.
Thank You All it is very much appreciated.
Marlene West Perry
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:50:58 EST
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Subject: Edy Ann Cooper-Amherst Co Va 1820s1853
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I am trying to find any info on Edy Ann Cooper.She was either the daughter or
daughter-in-law of Nathan & Patsey Hartless Cooper.She appears to be on the
1840 census with Patsey.
She had the following
children..........................................................................
I think she may have died in child birth with Sarah C in 1853
Jeremiah J Cooper/Duff 1844
James Henry Cooper/Duff 1846
Patsey Jane Cooper 1847
Sarah C Cooper 1853
The boys changed thier names to Duff when they moved to Rockbridge Co in
1880.The girls both married using the Cooper name.
I don't know who the father was.Some say it was Aldridge but he was married
a Nancy in Botetourt with children in 1850.On the children's marriage records
it lists father unknown and mother Edy Ann Cooper.She may have been a Cooper
or may have married one of the five boys of Patsey Cooper.We have the wives of
all the sons, but it is still possible one of them could be the father.
Does anyone know of a daughter to Patsey and Nathan Cooper?Or all of the
children?
Some said that Edy may have been a Duff instead of a Cooper.We have nothng to
go but the marriage records of the children.I think Nathan was dec. by
1838.The four children were living with Patsey in the 1860 census.I can't find any
of the Coopers in 1850 census.Also can't find but two Duffs and I know there
should be more.
Thanks for any help.
Jackie Troilo
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:23:39 EST
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I am searching for the surname of my 4th great grandmother, Hannah Janney,
wife
of Isaac Janney who was the son of William and Elizabeth Moon Janney.
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:44:18 -0500
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Have you considered the Cooper DNA project?
http://www2.arkansas.net/~bcooper2k/
Results from a male descendant of Nathan and one from either of the sons
(Jeremiah or James) would show if they were related and also answer your
question as to Edy Ann being a daughter or daughter-in-law.
Joy
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> I am trying to find any info on Edy Ann Cooper.She was either the daughter
or
> daughter-in-law of Nathan & Patsey Hartless Cooper.She appears to be on
the
> 1840 census with Patsey.
>
> She had the following
> Jeremiah J Cooper/Duff 1844
> James Henry Cooper/Duff 1846
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Subject: Norfolk Co. chancery records added to LVA's Chancery Records Index
Please excuse any cross postings.
The index to the chancery records of Norfolk Co. from 1718-1916 has been
added to the Library of Virginia's Chancery Records Index Web site.
Norfolk Co. is in the Urban Tidewater region which adds it to the
records of one other locality available for searching in that region:
Princess Anne Co. The Norfolk Co. records have not yet been microfilmed so
you must visit the Library of Virginia in order to view the original
records.
The majority of the Norfolk Co. chancery causes do not contain the complete
records of the cases. Many cases only contain one or two sheets of paper.
Only a few cases contain the full complement of papers.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:47:40 -0600
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From: Charlotte <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Need help with 1772 Lunenburg Co VA Deed
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Harold Cochran was kind enough to send the transcribed deed below to me. =
I would like to know under what legal circumstances can Robert =
Leverette and wife, Ann, sell land they had given to son, Robert?=20
Thank you in advance for considering my query .
Charlotte Tucker
Lunenburg County, Va.
Deed book 12 page 120
May 12, 1772 from Robert Leverette Sr and Ann, his wife, of L, to Wm =
Chisolm of L, for 400=A3 , on tract of land in L on both sides of the =
north fork of Crooked ru, being the whole of the land the said Liveret =
gave to his son , Robert.
The tract is bounded by said Leveret, Chisolm's tract formerly laid off, =
the whole containing 1170 acres.
Signed;Robert (R his mark) Levrit, Sr. Wit: none
Ann personally appeared in court and relinquished her right of dower to =
the conveyed lands.
Recorded May 14, 1772
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:23:50 -0500
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Perhaps if son Robert died or became mentally incapacitated and his parents
were the only heirs. Just a hypothesis, not based on any legal knowledge.
Kathy Liston
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Subject: Need help with 1772 Lunenburg Co VA Deed
Harold Cochran was kind enough to send the transcribed deed below to me. I
would like to know under what legal circumstances can Robert Leverette and
wife, Ann, sell land they had given to son, Robert?
Thank you in advance for considering my query .
Charlotte Tucker
Lunenburg County, Va.
Deed book 12 page 120
May 12, 1772 from Robert Leverette Sr and Ann, his wife, of L, to Wm
Chisolm of L, for 400£ , on tract of land in L on both sides of the north
fork of Crooked ru, being the whole of the land the said Liveret gave to his
son , Robert.
The tract is bounded by said Leveret, Chisolm's tract formerly laid off, the
whole containing 1170 acres.
Signed;Robert (R his mark) Levrit, Sr. Wit: none
Ann personally appeared in court and relinquished her right of dower to the
conveyed lands.
Recorded May 14, 1772
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:42:46 -0600
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Ms. Charlotte: Have you looked in the deed records prior to the date of =
this deed To Chisholm for a deed from father to son ?
Have you looked for an estate or administration for the son prior to =
this Chisholm deed date?
Both of those questions bear directly on any answer to your quest for an =
explanation. Paul =20
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From: Charlotte=20
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:47 PM
Subject: Need help with 1772 Lunenburg Co VA Deed
Harold Cochran was kind enough to send the transcribed deed below to =
me. I would like to know under what legal circumstances can Robert =
Leverette and wife, Ann, sell land they had given to son, Robert?=20
Thank you in advance for considering my query .
Charlotte Tucker
Lunenburg County, Va.
Deed book 12 page 120
May 12, 1772 from Robert Leverette Sr and Ann, his wife, of L, to Wm =
Chisolm of L, for 400=A3 , on tract of land in L on both sides of the =
north fork of Crooked ru, being the whole of the land the said Liveret =
gave to his son , Robert.
The tract is bounded by said Leveret, Chisolm's tract formerly laid =
off, the whole containing 1170 acres.
Signed;Robert (R his mark) Levrit, Sr. Wit: none
Ann personally appeared in court and relinquished her right of dower =
to the conveyed lands.
Recorded May 14, 1772
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:24:11 -0500
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Subject: Courthouse Experiences
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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone,
There have been some new postings to the Courthouse Experiences page.
Go to http://www.bcpl.net/~dmg/Links.htm and then click on the button
"Courthouse Experiences" at the bottom of the page.
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Subject: Passport lookup: Passports of Southeastern Pioneers, 1770-1823
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Can you do a lookup for me if you have the following out-of-print book:
Passports of Southeastern Pioneers, 1770-1823: Indian, Spanish and Other =
Land Passports for Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Mississippi, Virginia, =
North and South Carolina=20
by Dorothy Williams Potter
I am interested in what it says about=20
1. John A. Bates
2. Elizabeth Davis
3. Elizabeth Alford
4. Zachariah Bates
5. Thomas P. Snow
If you do not have time to do more than one or two names, please choose =
1 and 2.
Thank you.
Lee Anne
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