With no intent of being flippant, one would have trouble becoming authoritatively conversant on the inclusion of the Bill of Rights, let alone its “placement”, in our Constitution without first studying “Madison’s Notes” for the purpose of understanding the complexity of the debate about the “Constitutional” idea itself. To the more specific: From my readings, “advocacy” for inclusion of a “Bill of Rights” was widely held as these leaders of that time were aware of and in admiration of the ideas that were coming from the “Scottish” intellectuals and other Europeans: reasoning that the individual “transcended” the “mob“. As to who said it first: your message seems to have "nailed the jelly to the tree" absent further citations. I shall follow this "thread" with interest. Regards, Ray ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html