J. South, Well, it seems that Virginia has the opportunity to be the king-maker next month, and the polls are leaning towards Obama. Far better to have an intelligent man with less experience, than a foolish old man with only a little more experience and non in an executive position. That said, I will say no more about the pending election, except that I am hoping for a grassroots win. Anne Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/apembert http://www.educationalsynthesis.org ----- Original Message ----- From: <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment > Yes, the Federal Forts, and particularly Sumter, were given to the Federal > government by the states.? Sumter was given by South Carolina on the > condition that certain maintenance and improvements would be made to it, > which the US failed to comply with. > > The Oval Office is not a place for on the job training for former > community organizers or former state governors who don't know their way > around DC or the Federal goverment. > > J South > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 7:26 pm > Subject: Re: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment > > > > > > > > > > J. South,? > ? > > Everyone elected to the presidency is "inexperienced" in some degree or > another, unless they have served already, in which case, they can be > judged > on their record.? > ? > > Why did the south want the federal forts to be surrended to them anyway? > Had > they paid for them? Resupplying a fort is not reason to fire on it. It is > reason to ask what is going on and set another date, if desired, to > surrender the fort. But, the term "surrender" suggests that the south > expected it to be a gift. What consideration were they giving for this > fort?? > ? > > Anne? > ? > > Anne Pemberton? > > [log in to unmask] > > http://www.erols.com/apembert? > > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[log in to unmask]>? > > To: <[log in to unmask]>? > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:17 PM? > > Subject: Re: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment? > ? > > >> Nice analysis of history.? Sounds like it was written by Seward.? > >>? > >> The peaceful surrender of Fort Sumter was arranged for April 15th.? Then >> Lincoln, et. al., thought they would be cute and try to resupply the fort >> with troops and arms under the noses of the South Carolina militia.? The >> approach of the ships triggered the firing.? The firing triggered another >> brilliant Lincoln move of calling for troops from all the states in the >> Union, including Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee and North Carolina, to >> invade the South.? > >>? > >> Lincoln handled the secession crisis with all the finesse of a bull in a >> china shop, and was personally responsible for the deaths of >> 600,000-700,000 brave American men.? A good lesson on why not to elect >> inexperienced politicians to the presidency during times of crisis, or >> any >> other time for that matter.? > >>? > >> J South? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >> -----Original Message-----? > >> From: Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]>? > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 6:23 pm? > >> Subject: Re: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >> Walter,?? > >> ?? > >>? > >> Your qualifications are worth noting. President Lincoln did not >> willy-nilly? > >> call out an army, but acted with caution and reason in response to the? > >> demands to take over federal propery, such as Fort Sumpter, and such. >> For? > >> the life of me, I do not understand why the south pretends they were put? > >> upon by the war, when it was the south that fired the first shot. Had >> the? > >> south responded with courtesy and restraint with the commander at Fort? > >> Sumpter, who was in the right to continue his presence until recalled by >> his? > >> commander in chief, they could have averted the blood shed. The south >> was? > >> out for blood, and they got it!?? > >> ?? > >>? > >> Anne?? > >> ?? > >>? > >>? > >> Anne Pemberton?? > >>? > >> [log in to unmask] > >>? > >> http://www.erols.com/apembert?? > >>? > >> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org?? > >>? > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walter Waddell" <[log in to unmask]>?? > >>? > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>?? > >>? > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:09 PM?? > >>? > >> Subject: 10132106Z08 Articles 9 And 10 And 1st Amendment?? > >> ?? > >>? > >>? > >>> "Lincoln never gave the US courts the opportunity to render an opinion >>> on? > >>> the Constitutionality of secession.? He?? > >>? > >>> just summarily called for the raising of an army to invade the >>> initially? > >>> seceding states --"?? > >>? > >>>?? > >>? > >>> The statement does not suit for any general examination of a timeline >>> for? > >>> a "dejure" secessionist argument since?? > >>? > >>> both officials and ordinary citizens of several seceding states had? > >>> engaged and or were engaging in acts of?? > >>? > >>> violence against Federal persons and property.?? > >>? > >>>?? > >>? > >>> An argument for secession must be incident free of any act of violence >>> or? > >>> call for violence to achieve credible?? > >>? > >>> review as provided for by the words set forth throughout the U. S.? > >>> Constitution -- using a literal reading thereof.?? > >>? > >>>?? > >>? > >>> ______________________________________?? > >>? > >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the >>> instructions? > >>> at?? > >>? > >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ?? > >>? > >> ______________________________________?? > >>? > >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >> at?? > >>? > >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html?? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >>? > >> ______________________________________? > >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >> at? > >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ? > > ______________________________________? > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at? > > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html? > > > > > > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html