Anne and Henry, you are both correct. My comment regarding commercial pages was stupid and made without either thought or real purpose. Consider my keyboard-fingers properly slapped with a ruler. --Tom On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Tom, > > Read my last post. The "commercial" page, is the only one on the site of > nearly one thousand pages and growing. I have NEVER posted a link to that > page - but I have posted links to the opening page of the site, which > contains a link to that page. Some of you are making a moutain out of a > molehill. > > How about Herbert and his constantly pressing anyone and everyone to read > his "minority report" ad nauseum? He, too, is constantly pushing his web > site which may or may not contain commercial links. > > Anne > > Anne Pemberton > [log in to unmask] > http://www.erols.com/apembert > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gilmore" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: Marketing & .org > > > > Anne, >> >> I don't think anyone questions what you do on your own website, but rather >> the fact that you advertise links to your commercial pages on this list. >> It's a bit like a person wearing a sign-board in a non-commercial area. >> >> --Tom >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Brent, >>> >>> My take on Herbert's question was to presume that he was just trying to >>> find a means to diminish my contributions to the list because he had run >>> out >>> of arguments to offset mine. It was someone on the list who questioned >>> the >>> presence of my book promotion on MY website, and Herbert jumped on it as >>> a >>> point to discredit my work without having looked at it himself. One of >>> those >>> in the discussion, wrote me offlist, and when I said perhaps I should >>> tone >>> down the "advertisement" value of that page, said not to change anything >>> on >>> my website, that it was, as the google stats bear out, and important and >>> valuable site for K-12. It is not a site purely for history, but >>> emcompasses >>> all K-12 subjects. The matter of whether or not I should "promote" my >>> book >>> on my web site and whether or not it constitutes "marketing" on an "org" >>> site or not, is more a matter between myself and the owner of the site, >>> than >>> an issue to be bandied about on Va. History list. I did not bring it up, >>> because the book has no relevence to history. But, I did respond to those >>> who sought to diminish my efforts through this sidebar. They are >>> commenting >>> without having seen what I do, or having any understanding of how I make >>> use >>> of this list in growing the Virginia portion of the list. >>> >>> Herbert Barger is one who, I think, misuses the list to promote his point >>> of view and diminish all who disagree with him. That he chose to jump on >>> the >>> attack of my website is additional proof that his arguments cannot stand >>> on >>> their own merit. My assertion that continuing to paint those who see >>> things >>> differently are promoting an image of Jefferson as a pimp, was an effort >>> to >>> bring some of these people to an understanding of what they are really >>> saying when they insist that anyone who disagrees with them is a LIAR. I >>> am >>> especially hurt to see such old time list members such as Jon Kukla and >>> Henry Weincek painted with this broad brush of "lying", when they are >>> good >>> historians and good writers who bring to light the less-well-known points >>> of >>> view in the discussions. >>> >>> Unlike some who have painted Jon Kukla with a broad brush, I have read, >>> re-read, and thoroughly enjoyed his book on Jefferson's Women. Yesterday >>> I >>> started Henry Weincek's book on Washington "An Imperfect God". I can see >>> where those who want to put our Founding Fathers (or at least those >>> fromVirginia), on a high pedestal would be upset by such works, but as >>> one >>> who like a good story, I enjoy reading about the basic humanity of these >>> people. It does not in any way tarnish what they accomplished for this >>> country. >>> >>> Some time back, there was a heated discussion on Abraham Lincoln, on >>> which >>> many on this list, trashed one of the greatest presidents of all time. >>> Somehow, the ideals of not "tarnishing the image" of people like >>> Jefferson >>> and Washington, is right and good, but tarring and feathering Lincoln is >>> quite acceptable. This is a double standard that offends my >>> sensibilities. >>> >>> Well, enough for now. I will try to ignore the coming rages from the list >>> for awhile and cool my heels. I will, again, point out, that I think your >>> criticism of Anita Wills is without basis. I may deserve your censure, >>> but >>> she doesn't. I will remind that someone else responded to my comments on >>> the >>> value of oral history by sharing a link to George Mason University's site >>> that is chock full of oral history mixed in with the standard stuff. This >>> is an area of history that interests me far more than regurgitating the >>> same >>> old same old. >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> Anne Pemberton >>> [log in to unmask] >>> http://www.erols.com/apembert >>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tarter, Brent (LVA)" < >>> [log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: Marketing & .org >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not entirely understand the question. >>> >>> Va-Hist and Va-Roots are open forums for the discussion of topics >>> related to research and writing about Virginia history and culture, >>> including family history. That said, we have discouraged commercial >>> promotion in order to keep the lists free of marketing notices that >>> would inevitably overwhelm or detract from dicussions of the topis for >>> which we created and maintain the lists. >>> >>> Please do not advertize or promote your own or any other person's >>> merchandize on these sites. If, as often happens in lerned discussions, >>> people have legitimate occasions to refer to their own scholarship, >>> that's quite a different matter. >>> >>> What other people permit or do not permit on their lists and what may be >>> or may not be permissible in other domains that the state of Virginia's >>> virginia.gov sites is none of my or our business. >>> >>> Brent Tarter >>> The Library of Virginia >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> Please visit the Library of Virginia's Web site at >>> http://www.lva.virginia.gov >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herbert Barger >>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:07 PM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Marketing & .org >>> >>> Mr. Brent Tarter, >>> >>> Possibly you may clarify this argument that Tom brings out. I earlier >>> had noticed the same thing. Is it true that advertising can be carried >>> on a taxpayer free VA. Library page dedicated to genealogy and history? >>> >>> >>> Herb Barger >>> >>> >>> High horse or not, you are offering a book for sale on a site which you >>> say carries no marketing. The URL I provided is on the >>> educationalsynthesis.org website. It promotes the book, it gives the >>> price of the book, it gives discount instructions, and it gives guidance >>> on where to purchase. Marketing is the commercial processes involved in >>> promoting and selling and distributing a product or service. I would say >>> the page fit nicely into the marketing definition. >>> >>> I have been unable to find anywhere, that it is written, that an .org >>> website "CANNOT carry any marketing." Would you provide your source for >>> this information? >>> >>> Tom >>> South Central Virginia & More >>> http://socenva.com >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >>> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >>> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> ______________________________________ >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >>> at >>> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >>> >>> >> ______________________________________ >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions >> at >> http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html