The board is hopping, wonderful to have a passionate discussion. Let's keep it civil. Anita > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:28:16 -0400 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > To: [log in to unmask] > > >When you no longer feel the need to sign > >yourself as "14 generations" of the south, or a "proud" southerner, and > >consider yourself an American first and foremost > > I will take your advice under consideration as soon as YOU stop degrading those who like to think for themselves. Actually, I signed "Proud 14th generation Virginian." > > >Obviously, there are a lot of > >people around the world who disagree with your opinion of my efforts > > And I wholeheartedly support their right to do so. > > (Mr.) R.B. Jenkins, Ph.D. , D.D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne Pemberton<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > > > Mr/Ms. Jenkins, > > Give serious consideration that you have read what is not there. I have said > that the bitterness over the past is still with us, and you have provided an > excellent demonstration that it is. When you no longer feel the need to sign > yourself as "14 generations" of the south, or a "proud" southerner, and > consider yourself an American first and foremost, you will have made a good > effort towards shedding your explicit arrogance and your sense of ethnic > superiority. Now, take the mote out of your eye and re-read what I have > actually written instead of imposing your supposition where they are > unsupportable. > > If you feel that my website is not good enough to earn you praise, you do > not want to hear that the site draws more than 200,000 users per month, with > a jump to more than 500,000 during February when apparently a lot of > students prepare reports on Famous Americans. Obviously, there are a lot of > people around the world who disagree with your opinion of my efforts. I > suspect you looked at the site with your right brain in full fury instead of > applying the logic and deductiveness that your left brain is capable of. > > Anne > > Anne Pemberton > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert> > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hist Docs" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > > > >If you are so "proud" of being a 14th generation southerners, I suspect the > >arrogance is on your side, > > Nope; I do not claim ownership of piety and an all-knowing sense of > morality as your posts imply about yourself. > > >It is not the first time that someone has > >implied that southerners are to be considered superior to those > >"D-Yankees". > > I made no such implication. I merely responded to MY take on your post. > > >When one sets aside the centuries of human abuse known as slavery, and > >looks > >at the continued abuse under the reign of Jim Crow, one cannot find a > >single > >redeeming grace. > > Why would one wish to set aside the historic evils of slavery? I certainly > do not wish to do so. If you would take the time to actually READ a post > BEFORE you assumed the holier-than-thou position you so frequently assume, > then you would find that I posted absolutely nothing about the slavery issue > in my reply to your post. > > You like to set double standards; on one hand you preach a need for > universal freedom and on the other you would deny a person's freedom to > disagree with ANYTHING you decide to be some foregone truth. > > Like Paul Finkleman, I prefer to adddress the Civil War by what it was . > War of Rebellion; however, I do NOT believe I, nor you, have the right to > deny others to call it what they wish. BTW, my Southern Grandmother > referred to it as the war of yankee agression. > > You canstantly espouse to the list community all those great and wonderful > things you do. However, you, too often, jump on someone else's bandwagon. > Have you ever considered being you? You may not be the most popular person > by doing so, but you WILL come across to some people (not me unfortunately) > as a bit more genuine. As for your website .. I've seen better. I've always > been a student of quiet perseverance, but you seriously bother me with that > carpet-bagger, self-righteous attitude. > > As another poster said: Get over it ... or yourself. > > My apologies to the list and should this post get me banned, then so be it. > > R.B. Jenkins - Still proud Virginian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne Pemberton<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > > > Mr/Ms Jenkins, > > If you are so "proud" of being a 14th generation southerners, I suspect > the > arrogance is on your side, not mine. It is you who seems to be thinking > that > one side or the other is superior. It is not the first time that someone > has > implied that southerners are to be considered superior to those > "D-Yankees". > When one sets aside the centuries of human abuse known as slavery, and > looks > at the continued abuse under the reign of Jim Crow, one cannot find a > single > redeeming grace. Last month I added Mildred Loving to my Famous Americans > website > (http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer%3Chttp://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer>> > )so that children can > learn to what extent people went to, to extend the arm of the government > into the personal lives of the governed (or at least those not lucky > enough > to be born into the "right" race). Hopefully children will learn the > horrors > inflicted on human lives when governments, federal or state, interfere > where > they dare not tread. Perhaps Mildred Loving's story will convince more of > our youth that setting laws as to what race or gender can marry whichever > other race or gender, is unacceptable in a Land of Freedom. > > Anne > > > > > Anne Pemberton > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>> > http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert>> > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hist Docs" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> > To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > > > "The War of Northern Agression" > > And why, might I inquire, would that be so "stupid" to many of us who have > VERY deep southern roots? I find a certain arrogance in your attitude > that > suggests to me you believe yourself, and the "north" in general, superior > to > we Southerners. > > Glad we Southerners could provide you with a you laugh. > > R.B. Jenkins > > Proud 14th generation Virginian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne > Pemberton<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> > To: > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > > > Tom, > > I have described the bitterness I have seen in Virginia since this > "D****d > Yankee" moved here forty years ago. I call it the Civil War, but have > heard > any variety of names, including the stupidest: The War of Northern > Agression. A sister moved to Texas a few years ago, and we had a good > laugh > over the way southerners try to make it sound like they were not at > fault > for that bloody conflict. > > Anne > > Anne Pemberton > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> > http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert>>> > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/%3Chttp://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Excalibur131" > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:Excalibur131@COXNET%3Cmailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:Excalibur131@COXNET%3Cmailto:Excalibur131@COXNET>>>> > To: > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > > > > Anne, > > > > I'm just sitting here wondering, are you bitter? > > > > Also, what name would you have us call the "Civil War?" > > > > Tom > > Eastern Shore & More > > > http://easternshoremore.com<http://easternshoremore.com/<http://easternshoremore.com%3chttp//easternshoremore.com/<http://easternshoremore.com%3chttp//easternshoremore.com/%3Chttp://easternshoremore.com%3chttp//easternshoremore.com/>>> > > > > ______________________________________ > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > instructions > > at > > > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>>> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>>> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html