>When you no longer feel the need to sign >yourself as "14 generations" of the south, or a "proud" southerner, and >consider yourself an American first and foremost I will take your advice under consideration as soon as YOU stop degrading those who like to think for themselves. Actually, I signed "Proud 14th generation Virginian." >Obviously, there are a lot of >people around the world who disagree with your opinion of my efforts And I wholeheartedly support their right to do so. (Mr.) R.B. Jenkins, Ph.D. , D.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Pemberton<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa Mr/Ms. Jenkins, Give serious consideration that you have read what is not there. I have said that the bitterness over the past is still with us, and you have provided an excellent demonstration that it is. When you no longer feel the need to sign yourself as "14 generations" of the south, or a "proud" southerner, and consider yourself an American first and foremost, you will have made a good effort towards shedding your explicit arrogance and your sense of ethnic superiority. Now, take the mote out of your eye and re-read what I have actually written instead of imposing your supposition where they are unsupportable. If you feel that my website is not good enough to earn you praise, you do not want to hear that the site draws more than 200,000 users per month, with a jump to more than 500,000 during February when apparently a lot of students prepare reports on Famous Americans. Obviously, there are a lot of people around the world who disagree with your opinion of my efforts. I suspect you looked at the site with your right brain in full fury instead of applying the logic and deductiveness that your left brain is capable of. Anne Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hist Docs" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa >If you are so "proud" of being a 14th generation southerners, I suspect the >arrogance is on your side, Nope; I do not claim ownership of piety and an all-knowing sense of morality as your posts imply about yourself. >It is not the first time that someone has >implied that southerners are to be considered superior to those >"D-Yankees". I made no such implication. I merely responded to MY take on your post. >When one sets aside the centuries of human abuse known as slavery, and >looks >at the continued abuse under the reign of Jim Crow, one cannot find a >single >redeeming grace. Why would one wish to set aside the historic evils of slavery? I certainly do not wish to do so. If you would take the time to actually READ a post BEFORE you assumed the holier-than-thou position you so frequently assume, then you would find that I posted absolutely nothing about the slavery issue in my reply to your post. You like to set double standards; on one hand you preach a need for universal freedom and on the other you would deny a person's freedom to disagree with ANYTHING you decide to be some foregone truth. Like Paul Finkleman, I prefer to adddress the Civil War by what it was . War of Rebellion; however, I do NOT believe I, nor you, have the right to deny others to call it what they wish. BTW, my Southern Grandmother referred to it as the war of yankee agression. You canstantly espouse to the list community all those great and wonderful things you do. However, you, too often, jump on someone else's bandwagon. Have you ever considered being you? You may not be the most popular person by doing so, but you WILL come across to some people (not me unfortunately) as a bit more genuine. As for your website .. I've seen better. I've always been a student of quiet perseverance, but you seriously bother me with that carpet-bagger, self-righteous attitude. As another poster said: Get over it ... or yourself. My apologies to the list and should this post get me banned, then so be it. R.B. Jenkins - Still proud Virginian ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Pemberton<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa Mr/Ms Jenkins, If you are so "proud" of being a 14th generation southerners, I suspect the arrogance is on your side, not mine. It is you who seems to be thinking that one side or the other is superior. It is not the first time that someone has implied that southerners are to be considered superior to those "D-Yankees". When one sets aside the centuries of human abuse known as slavery, and looks at the continued abuse under the reign of Jim Crow, one cannot find a single redeeming grace. Last month I added Mildred Loving to my Famous Americans website (http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer%3Chttp://www.educationalsynthesis.org/famamer>> )so that children can learn to what extent people went to, to extend the arm of the government into the personal lives of the governed (or at least those not lucky enough to be born into the "right" race). Hopefully children will learn the horrors inflicted on human lives when governments, federal or state, interfere where they dare not tread. Perhaps Mildred Loving's story will convince more of our youth that setting laws as to what race or gender can marry whichever other race or gender, is unacceptable in a Land of Freedom. Anne Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>> http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hist Docs" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa "The War of Northern Agression" And why, might I inquire, would that be so "stupid" to many of us who have VERY deep southern roots? I find a certain arrogance in your attitude that suggests to me you believe yourself, and the "north" in general, superior to we Southerners. Glad we Southerners could provide you with a you laugh. R.B. Jenkins Proud 14th generation Virginian ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Pemberton<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa Tom, I have described the bitterness I have seen in Virginia since this "D****d Yankee" moved here forty years ago. I call it the Civil War, but have heard any variety of names, including the stupidest: The War of Northern Agression. A sister moved to Texas a few years ago, and we had a good laugh over the way southerners try to make it sound like they were not at fault for that bloody conflict. Anne Anne Pemberton [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>> http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert<http://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert%3Chttp://www.erols.com/apembert>>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org/<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/<http://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/%3Chttp://www.educationalsynthesis.org%3chttp//www.educationalsynthesis.org/>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Excalibur131" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:Excalibur131@COXNET%3Cmailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:Excalibur131@COXNET%3Cmailto:Excalibur131@COXNET>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa > Anne, > > I'm just sitting here wondering, are you bitter? > > Also, what name would you have us call the "Civil War?" > > Tom > Eastern Shore & More > http://easternshoremore.com<http://easternshoremore.com/<http://easternshoremore.com%3chttp//easternshoremore.com/<http://easternshoremore.com%3chttp//easternshoremore.com/%3Chttp://easternshoremore.com%3chttp//easternshoremore.com/>>> > > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions > at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>>> ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>>> ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>> ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html%3Chttp://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html>> ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html> ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html<http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html> ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html