Anne -- There were unquestionably other colonies. And certainly other Founders to whom we, their posterity, are beholden. Franklin, for instance, quite clearly saw the America we have become more presciently than any other Founder, certainly much more insightfully than Jefferson and is, on the evidence, more responsible for the modern structure of our culture than anyone else of the period. But without Mason's obsession with a statement of Rights, and his great insight that for a democracy to succeed it must acknowledge in its foundational documents, that each person had inalienable rights by reason of being alive — a political statement quite different from Locke and Hume's philosophical perspective — I am not sure America would have developed such a perspective from another source. Without Washington, as the Revolution's Cincinnatus, the war would almost certainly have gone in another direction, and had he not stepped down from the Presidency, even the political structure created in 1787 would have evolved quite differently. John and Abigail Adams certainly understood that. And these are but three points. I do not say that without Virginia there would have been no Revolution, although it was hardly the popular uprising of pop history. That would be absurd. But individuals do matter, and had the small cadre of slave owners from Virginia that we name as Founders never been, I think North America would be a very different place today. -- Stephan On 4 May 2008, at 20:45, Anne Pemberton wrote: > Stephen, > > Not sure if your reply was to me, or another poster. > > I really do not think that having fathered children by a slave > woman makes Jefferson a "villian", but it does tend to tarnish a > probably mistaken view that without these men, democracy could not > have happened. I wonder if you realize that the whole rest of the > country was in on this expedition, not just Virginia. Before moving > to Virginia, I didn't know so many people believed Virginia to be > the only colony! > > Anne > > Anne Pemberton > [log in to unmask] > http://www.erols.com/apembert > http://www.educationalsynthesis.org > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the > instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html