Thanks Malinda. I believe the radio show is produced by Clay Jenkinson in the Midwest, who portrays TJ in a most convincing fashion, I understand. In my opinion the John Adams TV series should be faulted for giving a close up of Sally Hemings, by name, as TJ lay on his death bed but not that of his family. Movie and TV producers, some authors and some "recent prominent minister in the media" use old early media sensational false stories about TJ and are too lazy or have an agenda to fulfill and do no in-depth research. Of course the old original biased Monticello Study may lead them to that false conclusion because little reference is made to the 13 member Scholars Commission who found no proof of a TJ-Sally liaison. Dr. Jordan should get that straightened out before he retires in November. Herb Barger Jefferson Family Historian -----Original Message----- From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melinda Skinner Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:13 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] DNA In Jefferson-Hemings controversy Off the subject... but on the subject of Jefferson... Do any of you listen to "The Jefferson Hour" on public radio? In Richmond, it's on WRIR every Tuesday from 11 am to noon. There is also a web site: http://www.jeffersonhour.org/ I apologize if this is just too un-academic; but I find it delightful as I'm driving in my car. Lately, the talk has been much about John Adams (and his family) and their ups and downs. -Melinda -- Melinda C. P. Skinner Richmond, VA -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Kevin Gutzman <[log in to unmask]> > In response to Kevin Hardwick, I note that it was not Jefferson who > discovered a way to reconcile slavery with Lockean liberalism, but the May > Convention of 1776 -- that interim ruling body of revolutionary Virginia. > It was that body that decided, in debating George Mason's draft Declaration > of Rights, not to come out and flatly claim that all men were born free and > equal and that government was to protect their rights, but instead > interlineated Edmund Pendleton's phrase "when they enter into a state of > society" (or some such). As a result, Virginia from its birth was a > society in which the blacks had not been parties to the social compact; > they had not "entered into a state of society," but had been kept as a > captive nation. *Before* republican Virginia was established, its leaders > made this decision to have *both* a Lockean social compact *and* slavery. > > I detail this development in chapter one of _Virginia's American > Revolution: From Dominion to Republic, 1776-1840_ (Lexington Books, 2007). > > For Jefferson, the commitment to Lockean rights could only be squared with > the decision to keep blacks outside Virginia's social compact through > colonization. I examine this issue in "Lincoln as Jeffersonian: The > Colonization Chimera," in _Lincoln Emancipated: The President and the > Politics of Race_, ed. Brian Dirck (Northern Illinois University Press, > 2007). > > Kevin Gutzman > > Kevin R. C. Gutzman, J.D., Ph.D. > Associate Professor of History > Western Connecticut State University > ______________________________________ > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at > http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html ______________________________________ To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html