try driving in Northern VA. sometime it's as bad as LA.. I've been to both NYC and LA. my uncle who lived on the East Side though the world ended at the Hudson River....everything to west was unimportant. Now how about that fly over county...you know the land one flies over from NYC to LA..... the ones LA makes fun of and NYC media types forget. unfortunately Virginians can be a bit narrow as well....I was born in VA. but my parents were from NYC...so my wife ,who's family has been in Va since the 1600's, still calls me a Yankee. WBUSER Fredericksburg ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com