Paul, My point is that in some cases the discussions seem to go in circles and become very predictable. I have come to believe that the same discussion will take place about every 3 months. That someone will take the opportunity to rehash what has been stated before. I recognize the fact that there will be new list members who haven't participated in these discussions and that they might find them very interesting, at first. But everything gets old after awhile. I think we should all agree that we will disagree. Linda