The victim was a Hispanic male. I believe that the crowd was trying to keep these morons from driving through the crowd and they were protecting their own from a mental case driving erratitically. It is a shame someone was killed, however, maybe he incited his own demise because he and his copilot were stupid. You are responsible for your own mistakes - behavior John Philip Adams -----Original Message----- From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Kiracofe Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:07 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Juneteenth What exactly did you want to discuss so robustly about this tragic event in another state? A child was struck by a car and a crowd attacked one of the people in that car. Are you suggesting we assume celebrating Juneteenth made them violent? As a point for debate, it seems little more than ad hominem. David Kiracofe David Kiracofe History Tidewater Community College Chesapeake Campus 1428 Cedar Road Chesapeake, Virginia 23322 757-822-5136 >>> <[log in to unmask]> 06/20/07 6:12 PM >>> An open and robust discussion is never furthered by censorship ( I didn't get that off a bumper sticker, I made it up myself, although someone else probably said something like that in the past). If newspaper accounts are so inherently unreliable, why do historians use and rely on them to buttress their research and theses in scholarly articles? The Duke lacrosse incident took place in North Carolina, so you have violated your own rule on Virginia topics, however you should not be censored for doing so. Happy Juneteenth to you all. J South ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.