Yep, sure looks that way...but maybe it's an old treaty entered into under less than perfect circumstances which is colliding with a modern concept of self determination... So we'll have to see how the court decides to rule.... On 3/4/07, Anita Wills <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > You are right!! It is what it is. History was used in the description of the > so-called treaty of 1866, and that was the only connection. My point was > that the tribe points the finger at the US for ignoring treaties and is now > doing the same thing. > > Anita > > > >From: "Stephan A. Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history > > <[log in to unmask]> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: Cherokee Election March 3rd Q&A > >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:23:38 -0500 > > > >This is not about historical fairness, or anything about history at all, > >except the use of racial characterization in the service of greed. This > >is about how, one group is forcing another group away from the money table > >so "there will be more for me." > > > >-- Stephan > > > >On 4 Mar 2007, at 11:14, Coats Family History wrote: > > > >>Once again this is a Cherokee by Blood issue....Cherokee democracy at > >>work... > >> > >>The Freedment didn't sign the 1866 treaty and the US forced the > >>Cherokees to enter into that treaty... > >> > >>Once again not the Cherokee Nation's fault, the Dawes choose to record > >>the information the way they did... > >> > >>I have no family stories of slaves among my Cherokee ancestors...so I > >>admit no knowledge of slaves and their owners.... > >> > >>Charlotte > >> > >> > >> > >>On 3/4/07, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>>There is a United Cherokee Tribe of Virginia that celebrates their > >>>ancestry > >>>in the state. They were mostly located in the mountains in the SW part > >>>of > >>>the state. > >>> > >>>The Cherokees were slaveowners and while they banned the ownership of > >>>Indian > >>>slaves in the early 18th century as a tribal matter, they collected and > >>>kept > >>>Black slaves up until 1866 when that ended via treaty with the US. > >>>See, > >>>Theda Perdue, Slavery and the Evolution of Cherokee Society. The > >>>Cherokee were > >>>notoriously cruel slave owners and developed great skill in tracking > >>>down > >>>runaway slaves for white owners; however some had a habit of killing > >>>the Black > >>>slaves once they found them and so the Cherokee fell out of favor as > >>>slave > >>>catchers. Seems like this dislike for their Black brothers goes a ways > >>>back. > >>>76% is a pretty telling indication of how the tribal members still > >>>feel. > >>><BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers > >>>free > >>>email to everyone. 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