Yes, that crow is full of mischief, and can even fool coyote (ummm). Anita >From: Sunshine49 <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history > <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Cherokee Election March 3rd Q&A >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 21:16:56 -0500 > >But you know, the Tricksters in whatever guise they manifest are the >gatekeepers between two otherwise static worlds. Without their mischief, >which shakes one out of old patterns and habits, sorts us out and sits us >back down, necessary change within us would never occur. So maybe you are >right, Anita, Coyote is stirring us to new insights. > >Or raven/ crow, my own particular favorite. > >Nancy > >------- >I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. > >--Daniel Boone > > > >On Mar 3, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Anita Wills wrote: > >>I wonder who the they are that you refer to? Is it the black they, or the >>white they, or the mixed raced they. You sound so bitter and angry, but >>it is misdirected. I would wager that not much will change which ever way >>the vote goes. I do have Cherokees in my lines, who intermarried within >>the family. Many of my cousins in Virginia consider themselves Cherokee, >>but I have found no direct connections (only lines that married in). I >>have friends who are Cherokee, and consider them my cousins. It is >>difficult to live in the US, and not be affected by the racism that >>distorts our society. I hear it in your your message and it must be >>eating you alive. We are all getting too far away from our ancestors and >> their beliefs. Everyone is in pursuit of an elusive piece of the >>American Pie. It must be Coyote up to his old tricks. >> >>Anita >> >> >>>From: Coats Family History <[log in to unmask]> >>>Reply-To: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history >>> <[log in to unmask]> >>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>Subject: Re: Cherokee Election March 3rd Q&A >>>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 15:10:46 -0800 >>> >>>No, the Freedmen that are not Cherokee by Blood do not belong in the >>>Cherokee Nation...so why should they be able to do something that the >>>rest of us can't....:) >>> >>>I don't know who sent the email or what it was referring to...as a >>>Cherokee I am certainly not racist, since my Indian heritage has never >>>gotten me anywhere in the white world and more often than not, was a >>>hindrance in school...I was always on Indian time and the schools were >>>always on wall time... >>> >>>However, I am Cherokee by Blood...so why would anyone want to belong >>>to a group when they themselves were not Cherokee by Blood...do they >>>believe they are going to get some benefits from that? >>> >>>I would answer that question yes, in light of the fact that they have >>>filed in the Federal Court of Claims for the right to build their own >>>casino...and land allotments that their ancestors already got...I >>>didn't get any land when I became a citizen of the tribe...why should >>>they have privileges above mine...in fact most folks living outside >>>the 14 counties of Nation never receive any benefits from the Cherokee >>>Nation...and surprising some of the same folks that believe those who >>>are Cherokee Citizens should not be able to vote unless you do so in >>>the Nation are supporting the Freedmen's cause...I don't know...there >>>are some folks back there that fight everything and anything the >>>Cherokee Nation does!! >>> >>>By *vote in the Nation* I mean, if you live in FL, you would have to >>>fly each election to OK to place your vote... >>> >>>So again, one needs to write their congressman, the Feds have always >>>called the shots anyway....:) >>> >>>Charlotte >>> >>> >>> >>>On 3/3/07, Sunshine49 <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>How about rising above one's circumstances, choosing the high ground, >>>>and trying to end the discrimination in general? Learn from the past >>>>how to improve the human race [and your own], not one-up the last >>>>wrongs that were done to you. That's how we stay in this continuous >>>>[global] spiral of tit for tat, you hit me I'll hit you back harder. >>>>Life is hard; your choice how you respond to it. Constructively, or >>>>not. Personally, despite the talk of laws and rolls, I did not care >>>>for the implied or overt racism of this Cherokee vote. And I read >>>>other things today that do suggest a racial component to it, no >>>>matter what legal buzzwords they are trying to hide behind. A >>>>blatantly racist email that was sent around, warning to "not let the >>>>Freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR >>>>CHILDREN, FOR OUR DAUGHTERS." [their caps] Sorry, but this has >>>>nothing to do with rolls and laws, it is racist fear-mongering, with >>>>a large dollop of the old dread of black men raping wives and >>>>daughters. Granted, the writer may be part of some fringe movement, >>>>but it was reflective of at least a strain of thought there. Yes, >>>>you'd think people would learn, but it seems not to be so. 'We had >>>>the Trail of Tears because we were different; let's get these >>>>freedmen out of our group, because they are different.' Or those >>>>natives in CA. that were posted about here. Tribalism just seems to >>>>be part of the human condition. 'We live on this side of the >>>>mountain, we hate the people who live on the other side of the >>>>mountain.' I've always felt that you can be as good a person as you >>>>make yourself be, or as bad a person as you let yourself be. The >>>>slippery slope is always the easiest way. But the world is an >>>>increasingly crowded place, with ever more terrible weapons; we have >>>>to get over this mindset that was ok when we were living in the Stone >>>>Age. It's far too dangerous a way to live today. We have to learn >>>>from the past, not keep repeating it. >>>> >>>>my 2 cents >>>> >>>>Nancy >>>> >>>>------- >>>>I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. >>>> >>>>--Daniel Boone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Clara Callahan wrote: >>>> >>>> > What it demonstrates is that "minorities" care no more about other >>>> > "minorities" than the "majority" does. Having been "discriminated" >>>> > against, themselves, does not prevent them from "discriminating" >>>> > against others. This is not to say that what the Cherokee are doing >>>> > is wrong. They are not "discriminating." They are defining and >>>> > enforcing requirements, not excluding because of "color." We just >>>> > finished a couple of weeks of conversation about what those whites >>>> > did to those poor Indians and what those whites did to those poor >>>> > blacks. Now the conversation has turned to what those Indians are >>>> > doing to those poor whites and blacks. So far on this board no one >>>> > is championing either "minority" which, considering the past two >>>> > weeks' conversation, I find quite interesting. What does one do >>>> > when one "minority" goes up against another "minority"? Who you >>>> > gonna root for, the descendents of slaves, the descendents of >>>> > whites who married Indians, or the descendents of Indians? >>>> > This oughtta be good. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Basil Forest <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> > The Cherokee having suffered the slings and arrows (no pun >>>> > intended) of >>>> > racism, and the exclusion from the rights of the majority, I would >>>> > think there >>>> > would be some community of interest and sensitivity in this regard >>>> > on their >>>> > part. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ************************************** >>>> > AOL now offers free >>>> > email to everyone. 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