I really enjoy studying the etymology of Southern speech patterns. "Albion's Seed" is an excellent source. Two other great sources are McCrum, MacNeil & Cran's "The Story of English" and MacNeil & Cran's follow-up, "Do You Speak American." I grew up hearing my Alabama-raised grandmother saying that she was "a-walkin'" somewhere, or "a-totin'" something -- straight out of Elizabethan England! (On the other hand, my Virginia grandmother had that distinctive "oot" and "aboot" in her speech!) Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunshine49" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Jordan's Journey > There is an awful lot of the old speech and customs that have > continued on in the south, along the coast, and in Virginia in > particular; customs and fashions that died out and were replaced in > England, but here, in the isolation of the colonies, they were > maintained. Words like shuck and tote and others, for ex., which are > straight from the 17th century. The book "Albion's Seed- four British > folkways in America" is a fascinating exploration of this topic. When > the Irish traditional music group The Chieftans visited Appalachia, > they were amazed that they recognized many of the traditional > Appalachian folk tunes as the same old songs that were still played > in Ireland. > > Nancy > > ------- > I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. > > --Daniel Boone > > > > On Jan 6, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Mildred Fournier wrote: > >> I am Alabama born and bred and Jordan is JERR den there, too. I >> didn't know >> it was Elizabethan, though. I assumed it was just a Southern thing. >> >> Mildred "Mickey" Fournier >> 1730 SE County Rd 252 >> Lake City, FL 32025-1703 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sunshine49 >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:07 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Jordan's Journey >> >> Some of the places along the coast, the Outer Banks of NC, etc. that >> retain that Elizabethan speech still pronounce it "JERR den". I may >> be mis-remembering, but President Carter had a fellow Georgian on >> staff, Hamilton Jordan, and I think they pronounced that "JERR den", >> too. >> >> Nancy >> >> ------- >> I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. >> >> --Daniel Boone >> >> >> >> On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Connie Lapallo wrote: >> >>> Hi Neil, >>> >>> I wrote a novel (Dark Enough to See the Stars in a Jamestown Sky) >>> based on >>> Joan Peirce and her daughter Cecily Reynolds. Cecily's second >>> husband was >>> Samuel Jordan of Jordan's Journey. Samuel was a character in the >>> book, but >>> will play a more important role in the sequel. I'm writing the >>> sequel now, >>> which will largely focus on Cecily's life, including her marriage to >>> Samuel and the development of Jordan's Journey. I'm a descendent of >>> Cecily >>> from her first marriage to a Bailey. >>> >>> My research for the sequel is still in progress, but I can tell you >>> that >>> you're correct that there's no definitive proof (that I'm aware of) >>> that >>> Samuel was a passenger on the Sea Venture. However, he received a >>> land >>> grant on 10 December 1620 which listed him as a "an ancient planter >>> who >>> hath abode ten yeares compleat in this Colony." From this, we know he >>> either came on the Patience and Deliverance (with the Sea Venture >>> survivors) or on De La Warr's ships in June 1610. He appeared to >>> have a >>> strong military background (suggested by how well-fortified Jordan's >>> Journey was and the similarity of its structures to those of an Irish >>> bawn.) I believe he was probably in the group of mercenaries left >>> without >>> work when a truce was called in the Lowlands in 1609. His (probable) >>> distant cousin Silvester was definitely on the Sea Venture, and his >>> first >>> cousin's (Joan Peirce's) husband was also on there. I think the Sea >>> Venture is a sound assumption, though not definite. >>> >>> The name "Beggar's Bush" was probably a corruption of "Biker's >>> Bush." The >>> neighboring land was that of William Biker, and there is a Bicker's >>> Creek >>> on present day maps near there as well. Please see W&M Quarterly, >>> April >>> 1941, p.180-181 for a more detailed explanation. >>> >>> Samuel would have pronounced his name "JERR-den." His ancestors >>> probably >>> came to England from France after the Hundred Years war. This >>> distinct >>> pronounciation survived in Virginia for many years, and is >>> distinguishable >>> from the ancient family of English Jordans who pronounce it more >>> as we >>> would expect: "JOR-den". Given that, "Jordan's Journey" was much >>> more >>> alliterative than it appears on paper! >>> >>> I love the charcter of Sam Jordan and am eager to do more research >>> on him. >>> >>> Best of luck. I hope this helps. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Connie Lapallo >>> author of DARK ENOUGH TO SEE THE STARS IN A JAMESTOWN SKY >>> www.ConnieLapallo.com >>> >>> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >>> instructions >>> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html