Dear listers (and pardon the cross): I'm reading an indictment for illegal gaming. The games played at Paul Verdier's tavern in Orange County, VA in 1803 were "whist, Loo, All fours and three up." I know what the first three are. Can anyone explain "three up"? By the by, one of those busted at the game was the future president James Madison. Think of him trying to run TODAY. Can't you see the headlines and debate topics. Best wishes and thanks in advance. Jim Watkinson James D. Watkinson, Ph.D. Archives Library of Virginia [log in to unmask] 804.692.3804 To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html