These points of view have been exercise over and again and it is unlikely, in my opinion, that opposing points of view will be reconciled. Meanwhile unpleasant personal remarks occur often. Frankly I am weary of the endless argument, personal attacks and will ask to be delisted. Topics here seem to have sincerely degenerated to a one band wagon issue. To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html