I second and third that. Nobody's mind is going to be changed!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bonis" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: "high crimes and misdemeanors" > Enough of this foolery! Please no more of Sally and Thomas. We've heard > enough. > > > Kevin Hardwick wrote: > > > Mr. Dixon-- > > > > As an attorney, do you think you could persuade a jury to believe the > > allegations against Jefferson? In as much as the most persuasive arguments > > on the issue on both sides have been produced by lawyers and not academic > > historians, my guess is that it is not entirely implausible to imagine > > juries that *would* convict. If so, are academic historians any worse than > > Americans in general? > > > > While the particular question of whether or not Jefferson had a liason with > > Hemings has obvious interest to Jefferson and Hemings decendents, I find it > > a distraction from the larger issue of Jefferson's moral complicity with > > slavery itself. We have a great deal of information, much of it quite > > direct and incontrovertible, that on the larger issue of slavery, > > Jefferson's behavior was in direct contradiction with his own principles. > > The proper historical standard by which to judge Jefferson, after all, is > > the standard he himself established. But here, he was *at best* a > > hypocrite (in a way, for example, that can not be said of either Patrick > > Henry or George Washington). This remains true whether or not Jefferson > > had sex with Sally Hemings. > > > > Best, > > Kevin > > > > --On Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:26 PM +0000 "Richard E. Dixon" > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 3/28/02 11:20:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > [log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > << Jefferson never > > > really went public in his denials, so is that any more misleading than > > > any other presidential philanderer >> > > > > > > My goodness, Jefferson did not publish a full page denial of the third > > > party hearsay that plagued him about Sally Hemings. Would that have made a > > > difference in the predisposition of many academics unaffected by the > > > absence of any direct evidence? > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Richard E. Dixon > > > Attorney at Law > > > 4122 Leonard Drive > > > Fairfax, VA 22030 > > > 703-691-0770 > > > fax 703-691-0978 > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > > > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > > > -- > > Kevin R. Hardwick, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor > > Department of History, MSC 2001 > > James Madison University > > Harrisonburg VA 22807 > > Phone: 540/568-6306 > > Email: [log in to unmask] > > > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > > -- > > ~~~ > Ray Bonis > Special Collections and Archives > James Branch Cabell Library > 901 Park Ave. VCU Box 842033 > Richmond, VA 23284-2033 > > Phone: (804) 828-1108 > Email: [log in to unmask] > Web: www.library.vcu.edu/jbc/speccoll/speccoll.html > ~~~~ > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html