Patton was killed in an automobile accident in Germany on Dec. 22, 1945. He's buried in the American Cemetery in Hamm, Luxembourg (see http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/1144.html) -Paul Shelton -----Original Message----- From: Madaline Preston [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:20 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Patton (was RE: sherman) Believe he (Patton) is buried at Mt. Hebron Cemetery, Winchester, VA. Madaline --On Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:56 AM -0400 "Johnson, Eric" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > The confusion probably stems from the fact that Patton went to VMI (before > attending West Point), as did his father, grandfather, and three of his > granduncles, all of whom were from Virginia. Patton's father moved to Los > Angeles as an attorney before Gen. Patton was born. > > --Eric > >> I'm sorry, but Patton was a Californian. Perhaps you've >> confused him with >> the actor who played him in the movie - George C. Scott - who >> was born in >> Virginia. >> >> -Paul Shelton >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Finkelman [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:27 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: sherman >> >> >> One might view Sherman as the man who was responsible for >> freeing more human >> being from bondage than any other person. His march from the >> Mississippi to >> the >> Atlantic Ocean resulted in the liberation of more than a >> million slaves and >> the >> destruction of a nation, whose "cornerstone," accoring to its own Vice >> President, was slavery. I suppose we should not be surprised >> that those who >> lost their slaves, and the wealth that came from it, hated >> General Sherman. >> His >> tactics, ironically, were no different that those of laster used by >> Eisenhower, >> Patton (a Virginian) and the rest of the Allied High Command >> in World War >> II, to >> prevent the enemy from making war, by destroying the enemy's >> ability to make >> war. We used the same tactic against Japan, only with >> carpet bombing and >> firebombing. >> >> Gross and vile? Interesting terms. I am not sure what >> "gross" means here >> (disgusting, ill mannered, overweight?) Vile. I would >> reserve that term, at >> least in the American context, to perhaps traitors, who >> having taken oaths >> of >> allegience to the United States, made war against the United >> States when >> they >> did not like the outcome of a presidential election. >> >> Paul Finkelman (father of a first generation Virginian!) >> >> -- >> Paul Finkelman >> Chapman Distinguished Professor >> University of Tulsa College of Law >> 3120 East 4th Place >> Tulsa, Oklahoma 74104-2499 >> >> 918-631-3706 (office) >> 918-631-2194 (fax) >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> >> Deane wrote: >> >> > Well, let me just say this. >> > I am a 54 year old housewife with nothing but Southern >> roots on each side >> of >> > my family, so I admit to a strong bias. >> > My paternal grandparents were born in North Carolina in the 1880's. >> > My maternal grandparents were born in Tidewater Virginia in >> the 1880's. >> > During my childhood and formative years in the 1950's, it was their >> > reflections on their parents' lives that shaped my thinking >> and taught me >> to >> > regard certain aspects of Southern American history the way I do. >> > I certainly will not bore you folks with that. >> > However, it was my beloved and dear and college degreed (i.e., not >> ignorant >> > red neck) grandparents who taught me that men like Sherman >> were gross and >> > vile. >> > On the other hand, one of my grandfathers (whose name was >> Wade Hampton >> > King) had a brother whose middle name was Grant......that >> brother was >> named >> > after Ulysses Grant. The family legend has it that my >> great-grandfather >> > named that son after the Union general out of gratitude for >> being able to >> > take his horse home from Appomatox. >> > In fairness, I think that it was the horrors of >> Reconstruction.... the >> > salted fields that the Yankee troops had left behind them along with >> > poisoned water wells, needlessly slaughtered live stock, >> the ring-barked >> > fruit and nut trees and the resulting starvation that >> caused the deepest >> and >> > most induring bitterness. >> > I do not think that Margaret Mitchell's book created >> myths. I think that >> > when many Southerners read GONE WITH THE WIND they were >> relieved that >> after >> > so many decades someone had finally come close to putting >> it right and >> > putting it down on paper.....and better yet, folks >> everywhere were reading >> > it and, perhaps, coming to a better understanding, albeit a >> romanticized >> > one, of what Southerners tended to be like. >> > I could go on and on and on, but I won't. >> > I could tell you about the teacher I had in college in the >> 1960's who >> asked >> > me (the only southerner in that small Vermont college), "Is >> it true that >> you >> > Southerners despise the blacks, the Jews and the Catholics. >> And if so, >> why?" >> > I was so flabberghasted that I could not answer except to >> say, "Why no. We >> > just hate Yankees!" >> > I could try to describe to you the anguish on my own >> mother's face as she >> > told me about her own grandmother's stories of eating >> insects and make >> 'tea' >> > out of shoe leather after the "Wah". >> > I can hear my mother now, telling me how her grandmother >> said over and >> over >> > and over, >> > "We were SO hungry." >> > Deane Ferguson Mills >> > a 13th generation Tidewater Virginian and proud of it. >> > >> > > I agree with your assessment of Margaret Mitchell's role >> in tarnishing >> any >> > > understanding of Sherman. But no matter what is >> written, I'm afraid, >> > some >> > > Southerners, and nearly all Native Americans, will >> continue having a >> > > difficult time believing Sherman had any noble purpose in >> waging all out >> > > war, either against the Confederacy, or against the Sioux >> and other >> > Western >> > > peoples he subjugated in the Indian Wars. >> > > >> > > -Paul Shelton >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Jim Watkinson [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:21 PM >> > > To: [log in to unmask] >> > > Subject: sherman >> > > >> > > >> > > Harold is right. Total war is key. There was a review >> of a bio of >> > Sherman >> > > 2 or 3 weeks ago in the NYT Review of Books which >> strongly suggested >> that >> > > the man who said "war is hell" believed he could end the >> war sooner -- >> and >> > > stop the carnage -- by fighting the war in a differrent >> manner. This >> > seems >> > > to ring true. Margaret Mitchell (and David Selznick) >> probably did more >> to >> > > set back the cause of understanding the war than anyone >> who has ever >> > lived. >> > > >> > > Jim Watkinson >> > > >> > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >> > > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> > > >> > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >> > > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> > >> > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see >> the instructions >> > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> >> To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the >> instructions >> at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html >> > > To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions > at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html -- Preston, Madaline H [log in to unmask] To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe, please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-hist.html