On 3/15/2011 2:54 PM, Carolyn H Pappas wrote:
> Hi, Have you actually applied to DAR& UDC? I don't "do" UDC; but I may be able
> to help you with DAR.
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> ________________________________
> From: Diane S<[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 7:23:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] Virginia Citations
>
> Caroline -
>
> I have a big problem with both the DAR and UDC. While I could join on my
> mother's side, the patriots on my father's side are denied by both orgs. Here is
> the problem... my father, born in 1921 was born at home. The old country doctor
> simply ignored the state law saying that he must have a birth certificate, so my
> father, and his older brother had none. Well, when my father joined the Navy in
> 1941, on his way to the 90 Day Wonder School for officers, the Navy insisted
> that he have a birth certificate. So, he phoned his father, a lawyer, and both
> his parents went to circuit court to apply for a 'court ordered birth
> certificate'. Of course it was given to them, but the document had the name his
> mother gave him at his birth 'Arnold Wood Stark' (Wood was the old doctor's
> name), but since high school my father had been known as George Arnold Stark -
> he never offered any explanation, just that he didn't like his birth name. Well,
> all his college records are in George Arnold Stark, but his birth certificate
> says 'Arnold Wood Stark', and even though I have his death certificate with his
> parents' names listed, the same as the court ordered birth certificate, the Navy
> insisted he make it legal.
>
> I cannot even begin to tell you all the places I have searched for the document
> changing his name legally - I even hired one of those 'on-line' search
> companies, giving them ONLY the name George Arnold Stark - and would you believe
> the document I rec'd from them was the 'court ordered' certificate! My brothers
> have been to the courthouse and to the Bureau of Records, but the only document
> that can be found is the court record... and they cannot explain how when given
> just the 'new' name that they come up with the court record!
>
> So, I approached the Navy thinking that perhaps he had it done after he joined
> by a Navy JAG officer... but, the records of the Navy WWII officers were burned
> in Indianapolis some years ago, and I was asked to fill in what I knew about his
> service record! Oh, I have his separation document (he was called back in during
> the Korean War and remained as a career), but that lists only where he has been
> stationed and his 'jobs' at each place - and nothing more - they don't have that
> information anymore due to the fire! I believe the record went down with his
> first ship as did his Univ. of Georgia diploma, which they have kindly replaced,
> in the name of, yes, George Arnold Stark!
>
> Both of his grandfathers were C.S.A. since his father was older (b. 1866) when
> my father was born, the youngest son of a 2nd marriage... I would like to be
> able to put these great-grandfathers on my record IF I ever join... however
> since both orgs. are so stubborn in not accepting my application without my
> father's birth certificate with the name on it that he used on my birth
> certificate, I am stuck! Even though I could join with multiple soldiers in both
> wars on my mother's side, I am so incensed about this antiquated process that I
> refuse - if this part of their process is so unbending, then the rest also must
> be the same. I will continue to do my research and just knowing that so many of
> my ancestors fought for our freedom (24 Rev. War soldiers proven and counting)
> far surpasses my humble pride. I have just proven that my 3rd great-grandfather,
> on my father's maternal side, was a captain in the Rev., and have placed a
> marker by his son's grave (my 2nd great-grandfather) so that others will be able
> to prove their lines.
>
> Sorry - I don't think that any common sense is used by either organization!
>
> Diane Stark Sanfilippo
>
>
> Hi,
> While working at the DAR for many years, I was the one of those who worked on
> patriots where the lineage or service had been questioned. My answer, if I
> could not solve the problem was "genealogies are helpful as a guide but many
> are
>
> not acceptable unless the information can be verified by sources, such as
> vital
>
> records, Bible records, cemetery records, or other records that could be used
> in
>
> probate court cases." I also would sometimes use 'third generation personal
> knowledge.' Common sense must also used (5 year old girls do not give birth.)
> I have been very careful in writing family histories and articles to footnote
> everything. As a result, my works are credible and I have heard from other
> interested
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Diane,
Did you send in a letter with the information you supplied just now laid
out including the information on how you tried to find the change of
name information? Your chapter should have walked your application
through. Knowing that there is an issue up front sometimes gets your
application further than if you just send it in. There are
applications sent in that are full of problems because the registrar in
the chapter is not always effective genealogist. So the first response
to an application with no or problem proof is usually to assume hat the
correct information may exist and you have to make a good effort to get
it. While this may seem to be a harsh reaction if I was putting my
initials on a paper I wanted to know it was as correct and complete as
it could be. If it makes you feel any better I would have probably
passed your papers with notes from me and the complete story from you
going into the filmed proofs. (I worked as a staff genealogist in the
1980s)
Marilyn Jackson
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