Thank you so much, Joanne; some of us actually continued the discussion
offList.  I referenced Leyburn's book but could not remember its title!  Yes, the
Highlanders and the Irish are the same tribe and therefore must have by blood
been the same "problem" to the English.

Katie

In a message dated 3/11/2004 12:00:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Date:   Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:10:58 -0700
> From:   qvarizona <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: The Highland Clearances
>
> Great exchange of information.  Thank you all.  Must make a comment, =
> though,  regarding the Scots who settled "temporarily" in Ulster.  =
> (What's a 100 years or so to a group of Presbyterians who didn't believe =
> in mingling with the masses?  Because it took another 100 years in =
> Virginia before my own Scotch-Irish ancestors began to mingle, I am =
> what's considered "genealogically deprived--meaning I don't have as many =
> ancestors as most people.)=20
>
> I don't think the Scots-Irish  "bailed  out of Ulster" with the =
> founding of Jamestown, as they weren't in Ulster yet.  In 1606, James I =
> (of England, VI of Scotland) approved a colony named for him at =
> Jamestown, and three years before this  he expressed his hope  "that the =
> sea-coasts [of Ulster] might be possessed by Scottish men who would be =
> traders. . . . "  It wasn't until Mar 1609, however,  that  the English =
> Privy Council allowed Scotsmen to  participate as "undertakers" in the =
> Ulster Plantation.   The number of original applicants was reduced from =
> 77 to 59; five  of them noblemen and the rest gentry; all of them =
> Lowlanders.  They were in Ulster by Sept. of that year.=20
>
> Through the periods of the pioneer Scot in Ulster (1609-1634), the Hard =
> Years (1634-1690) Scots came to Ulster in large numbers.  During the =
> same period, particularly during the years of 1636 and 1684,  there were =
> migrations back to Scotland and a few small groups went to  America, so =
> that  by 1717 there were already a few Ulstermen in at least half of the =
> American colonies  when  the Great Migration began and the Scotch-Irish =
> began to "bail out" of Ulster in great numbers.  (Source:  Leyburn)
>
> James G. Leyburn's The Scotch-Irish, A Social History, is arguably the =
> most insightful  history covering the removal of  Lowlander Scots from =
> England to the Ulster Plantation in Northern Ireland and their =
> successive migrations to America--primarily to PA, then VA, and later =
> the Carolinas et al-- where they are now referred to as the =
> Scotch-Irish.   Dr. Leyburn notes that while a few Highlanders may have =
> ended up in Ulster,  King James had specifically excluded them from his =
> Plantation of Ulster.  He was as concerned about controlling the =
> Highlander as he was the Irish.  For this reason,  it would seem the =
> Highlanders should not be included in the term,  "Scotch-Irish."   One =
> of the best accounts of Highlanders in America is Graham's Colonists =
> from Scotland. =20
>
> Leyburn's book is available at UNC at Chapel Hill for less than $15 I =
> think.  http://sunsite.unc.edu/uncpress/
>
> Sorry if I sound like a commercial, but every time I mention Leyburn's =
> book, I get enthused again.  I'll probably begin to reread it tonight!
>
> Joanne
>
> A descendant of Beggs, Humes, Gilmore, Paxton, Poage and  Rowland---=20
> All early settlers in the Valley of Virginia.
>


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