My mother in law has been called Bobbie all her life. Her real name is
Harriett. She said her father wanted a boy named Robert and when they had
her he named her after his mother and then everyone called her Bobbie, Go
figure!
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> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. 1790 & 1800 Virginia Alternative Censuses - Our purpose
> 2. given name "Shadrack" (2)
> 3. death registers: parents' names (5)
> 4. Caroline County "1790" Tax Lists index
> 5. tax assessments
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> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:17:55 -0500
> From: Rosemary Mahan <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: 1790 & 1800 Virginia Alternative Censuses - Our purpose
>
> Hats off to you Yvonne and Steve!!! Thanks for all the work you've done
> in sending out this information. It's people like you who keep the rest
> of us going in our searches. Your purpose is a noble one, and much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Rosemary Mahan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family history.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Yvonne and Steve
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:25 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 1790 & 1800 Virginia Alternative Censuses - Our purpose
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have followed this thread with a bit of disappointment. We have been
> working very hard on recreating a 1790 and 1800 Virginia Census for
> about 18
> months. We post update notices to this list as well as others to let
> everyone know what's new on our web site. But it seems apparent from the
> 2
> messages below that we have done a poor job getting our message out.
> This is
> no ones fault but our own. So we want to "toot our horn" and let you
> know
> what we do.
>
> We are trying to recreate the lost 1790 and 1800 Virginia Censuses from
> county tax lists. We have identified 90 counties and 7 independent
> cities
> for this effort. We get tax list microfilms and search them for the best
> images for "1790" and "1800". Many times these specific years are of
> poor
> image quality so we go up/down 2 years to find the best images possible.
> We
> photocopy each tax list and scan it into our computer. We resize these
> images to minimze the file size and then upload these images to our web
> site. Then we index each list with every name we can decipher. We wrote
> a
> special software program that reads our indexes and creates HTML index
> pages
> that includes a link to the tax list page image for every name in our
> index.
> All the index pages are then uploaded to the Master Index and to the
> County
> Index. We have included a search engine that you can use to search for
> names
> of anyone you enter. The search results have been specialized so that
> the
> resulting names include the link to the image. We have tried to make our
> web
> site as useful as we can.
>
> We are not Ancestry.com and we don't have a big staff and a big budget.
> We
> are not USGenWeb with a highly visible network and many, many
> volunteers. We
> are just 2 individuals that have real jobs and a great hobby. Our web
> site
> is our passion, and it's free. It's purpose is to help you with an
> alternate
> source for 2 missing censuses. It's a lot of work and we don't get any
> funding. Here's a summary of what we have online:
>
> 32 counties
> 133 tax lists
> 131 tax lists are indexed
> 1,139 tax list pages as jpeg images for "1790"
> 1,263 tax list pages as jpeg images for "1800"
> 32,515 names in our "1790" census Master Index
> 37,064 names in our "1800" census Master Index
>
> We are currently working on Caroline County and King William County.
> Next
> month we hope to add at least 3 more counties. We know this is a slow
> process but we try to do our best.
>
> We want to make sure that everyone knows this information is available.
> We
> have tried to get as much publicity as possible but many of these
> efforts
> have failed for various reasons. This is apparent by Bev's statement "to
> my
> knowledge". We are going to finish this project no matter how long it
> takes.
> And we invite all of you to visit our web site to see what we have. It's
> located at:
>
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm
>
> Please spread the word. The web site is for all of you. It's an answer
> to
> Sue's question "How do you all get around this?".
>
> Steve and Bunny
> "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia
> Alternative 1790 and 1800 Virginia Censuses
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R&S Patterson" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:43 AM
> Subject: [VAROOTS] 1800 Va
>
>
> > Can someone tell me why there is no 1800 census for the state of VA?
> Is
> > there any sort of alternate documentation that would be a substitute?
> I'm
> > finding this very limiting in terms of locating my people who were
> here,
> but
> > not counted, then died before the next one. How do you all get around
> this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sue Lester Patterson
> > mailto:[log in to unmask]
> >
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAROOTS] 1800 Va
>
> >
> > It's my understanding that both the 1790 and 1800 census were
> destroyed.
> The
> > 1790 census has been somewhat restated using tax records but no such
> effort
> > has been made for 1800 to my knowledge.
> >
> > Bev
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:12:03 -0800
> From: Scott Simpson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: given name "Shadrack"
>
> Has anyone ever seen "John" used as a nickname for "Shadrack," or vice
> versa?
>
> (A strange question, I know; but I'm trying to reconcile a strange and
> very complex conflict in the evidence.)
>
> Thank you.
>
> Scott Simpson
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:14:54 -0800
> From: Scott Simpson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: death registers: parents' names
>
> I've heard that the 1853+ county death registers are very unreliable as
> to the names of the parents of the deceased. The death register entry
> for my ancestor, Nancy, in Albemarle Co. (1864) says that her parents
> were John and Mary Martin. Other evidence, however, indicates that her
> father was one Shadrack Martin (complicated by the fact that Shadrack
> also used the surname Henderson).
>
> Based on the experience of list members with this aspect of the death
> registers, would you conclude that the death register is probably
> incorrect as to the name of Nancy's father (there being no other
> evidence, as far as I have found, that her father was named John), or
> is it more likely that the evidence needs to be reconciled, possibly by
> concluding that Nancy had both a father and a stepfather?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Scott Simpson
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:24:23 +0000
> From: Beth Bond <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: death registers: parents' names
>
> Hi Scott,
> Information on the death records depends on the
> informant. And how much they knew.
>
> If you have the names of her siblings perhaps checking
> marriage and/or death records for them and seeing how
> the parents are listed would be an idea. See how many
> variations of her father's name are given.
>
> When getting someone a death certificate from the
> 1920's one time, the lady I got it for wondered how come
> the deceased did not know his parents? I had to tell her
> he could not have been the informant. : )
>
> Beth
> [log in to unmask]
> > I've heard that the 1853+ county death registers are very unreliable as
> > to the names of the parents of the deceased. The death register entry
> > for my ancestor, Nancy, in Albemarle Co. (1864) says that her parents
> > were John and Mary Martin. Other evidence, however, indicates that her
> > father was one Shadrack Martin (complicated by the fact that Shadrack
> > also used the surname Henderson).
> >
> > Based on the experience of list members with this aspect of the death
> > registers, would you conclude that the death register is probably
> > incorrect as to the name of Nancy's father (there being no other
> > evidence, as far as I have found, that her father was named John), or
> > is it more likely that the evidence needs to be reconciled, possibly by
> > concluding that Nancy had both a father and a stepfather?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Scott Simpson
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:11:30 -0000
> From: John Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: death registers: parents' names
>
> Is there any problem with the notion that he had two forenames, one of
them
> possibly his baptismal (and formal) name and the other one in daily (and
> informal) use?
>
> John Weiss
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Simpson" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 1:14 PM
> Subject: death registers: parents' names
>
>
> : I've heard that the 1853+ county death registers are very unreliable as
> : to the names of the parents of the deceased. The death register entry
> : for my ancestor, Nancy, in Albemarle Co. (1864) says that her parents
> : were John and Mary Martin. Other evidence, however, indicates that her
> : father was one Shadrack Martin (complicated by the fact that Shadrack
> : also used the surname Henderson).
> :
> : Based on the experience of list members with this aspect of the death
> : registers, would you conclude that the death register is probably
> : incorrect as to the name of Nancy's father (there being no other
> : evidence, as far as I have found, that her father was named John), or
> : is it more likely that the evidence needs to be reconciled, possibly by
> : concluding that Nancy had both a father and a stepfather?
> :
> : Thank you.
> :
> : Scott Simpson
> :
> :
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:20:15 EST
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: death registers: parents' names
>
> there is also the possibility that someone in the process neglected to ask
> the names
> and they arbitrarily put down "John" as a generic name, hoping it would
not
> be of any
> consequence. I have found many, many errors in funeral homes where folks
> were too concerned with drapery colors and less with the mundane
paperwork.
> Once in a while someone hates their given name(s) so much that they adopt
> another. But this is generally known to many others.
> Have no school records, tax lists, census records, other things been
checked?
> It
> would seem to me that due diligence and preponderance should prevail
> Erik P Conard--Denver
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:29:21 -0500
> From: Lyn <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: given name "Shadrack"
>
> My great-grandfather's name was Andrew Lee Goodman. However, he was
> known to all as John. Luckily, there still are enough living to pass
> that on as a fact, so 100 years from now, our descendants will not be
> scratching their heads trying to figure out a nonexistent error.
>
> Until my mother's generation, everyone had a nickname. Sometimes it
> made sense, sometimes it didn't. But to this day, these people are
> referred to by nicknames, probably because no one outside of the
> immediate family even knew what their given names were.
>
> Not saying this happened in your case, just tossing it out as a
> possibility.
>
> Lyn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:43:08 -0500
> From: Yvonne and Steve <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Caroline County "1790" Tax Lists index
>
> We have uploaded our preliminary "1790" index for Caroline County, the =
> 1789 Land and 1789 Personal Property Tax Lists, to our "1790 / 1800 =
> County Tax Lists of Virginia" website. Please follow the county link =
> found at:=20
>
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm
>
> Please send any comments to us at:
> mailto:[log in to unmask] or
> mailto:[log in to unmask]
>
> As with any transcription effort of old records you may find =
> transcription errors and missing names. We will gladly update these =
> indexes with corrections at any time. Your help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Steve and Bunny
> "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia
> Alternative 1790 and 1800 Virginia Censuses
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:16:49 -0600
> From: Mills <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: death registers: parents' names
>
> > I've heard that the 1853+ county death registers are very unreliable as
> > to the names of the parents of the deceased. . . >
> > Based on the experience of list members with this aspect of the death
> > registers, would you conclude that the death register is probably
> > incorrect
>
> Mr. Simpson, may I suggest that the conclusion be based on totally
thorough
> research in *all* available sources and upon a careful weighing of *all*
> evidence, rather than upon anyone's experience (even mine!) with this
> particular source. All sources are capable of containing inherent errors.
>
> Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG
> Editor, *National Genealogical Society Quarterly*
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:28:47 -0500
> From: westview <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: tax assessments
>
> The land assessment for 1821 was the first year that buildings were
assessed
> separately from land in Virginia. Does anyone know what buildings were
> included? Was it only the house?
>
> Thanks!
> kathy
>
> ------------------------------
>
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